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Hillary should be ashamed


How on Earth, does she have the dignity to continue this God foresaken race, when she voiced an implication of a possibility of an assination of Obama?

She was trying to prove that her staying in is not only justified but very possible for her to result as a winner. However, she used two examples. One being her husband clinching the nomination in mid June, and then she stated, that RFK was ASSASINATED in mid June right before he recieved the nomination.

Many may argue that she did not mean any negativity, but such a remark cannot be forgot. I as a republican, view this as appalling. Her follow up was not even an apology, she said she regrets if anyone took it negatively, this in now way apologizes to the Kennedys or Obama.

She should be ashamed and dealt with, a candidate should fel ashamed for continue on running after making such a dark comment.


I don't think anyone in the Democratic Party saw that comment in the same light. I can understand Republicans reaction to it. While you are trying to set Democrats against each other, they are busy recuperating from a bruising primary season with the aim of uniting the party. I think she has shown great determination and enthusiasm. She has inspired millions of women who believe that the world does not exist without them. This was women emancipation at its best. So if Obama and the Democratic party (including the voters) don't make as much a fuss about those comments, why should you?


Well that was most certainly amusing. You think Republicans are trying to pit the Dems against each other by saying Hillary's comments were shameful? I hate to break this to you but Republicans are not the ones saying how bad it was for her to say such a dark comment. Obama fans said so as well, Hillary fans know it was bad therefore they didnt even come to defend her, every news station had it as breaking news discussing how dark it was.

While you may say that Republicans are trying to pit Dems togher, you are trying to set Republicans as cold hearted people only interested in destroying the Democrats. Voters DID make a big fuss about it, in fact several super delegates, who are just in case you don't know DEMOCRATS, are now going to Obama because of this.
http://www.kxmb.com/News/241371.asp

Also your entire argument is about calling me out, your argument has nothing to do with the defense of Clinton. You state what she has done, which is commendable, I never denied it. But that is far from the point. I hope your next rebutal would be better.

Please don't accuse me of those imbecilic things.


I believe you are making a fuss about this whole thing. We both know what the Republicans are capable of. Your attempt to shift the focus to this statement (and put it out of its original context) is a cheap stunt to keep Democrats divided. If you don't want me to accuse you of such, then refrain from it.

Whether it is Hillary or not who is saying such things, this remains a possibility that anybody running for President could be killed. Does she wish for it to happen, you and I don't have evidence to that effect, all you have is speculation.

Hillary's statements were designed to argue against those who were calling for her premature exit in the race. The issue here is that its not over until the primary season is complete. Between now and then, anything is possible.

Hillary need not apologize for anything. In fact you and all those conspiracy theorists must be questioned and forced to apologize to her.


I did not put it out of its orginal context, that is exactly what she stated, it would make no difference if I added the other things she said before and after the RFK reference. I'm not making a fuss, but her being not apologetic towards the Kennedys and Obama is downright shameful almost as much as the comment itself.

For her to somehow give an implication that Obama may be killed is simply outrageous, my friend.

Some users below in the comments section made some good points. If she wished to argue against who were calling for her premature exit in the race, she could have easily used other examples, which did not involve an assassination.

How am I a conspiracy theorist? I simply believe it was wrong of her to say and she should apologize, if you say it wasn't wrong of her to say, then I'm sorry you must think that way. However I have no reason to apologize for trying to spread some good and justice.

She said a wrong statement and the follow up should be an apology, not her saying she regrets those who views it as implication or people like you trying to attack those who views it as an implication.

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Coulter

Strongleader, Republicans are just alarmists, hoping to use other Dems to distroy another Dem.

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Paul

I have not had many debates, but that was by far the most off topic, it was about portraying me as an evil republican, prove me wrong, don't say what I am.

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Obama

I have to agree with strongleader, JamesMonroe, you're wrong. I'm a democrat, and I believe her comments were disturbing, even she showed signs of being mortified during which she said her regrets. It's definitely not just republicans

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Tancredo

She didn't suggest Obama could be assassinated, she mentioned that RFK was assassinated in June while campaigning in the Dem primary, using that as a historical reference of a contest that clearly went late into the season, like into june. I hate hillary but don't take a cheap shot.

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Obama

There were so many more references she could have used, though. She also didn't say that RFK went into June without being the nominee, she said he was assassinated in June, which could be interpreted as anything can happen to Obama including an assassination. Though I personally believe she didn't mean an assassination may happen, but I do believe she made a mistake and should apologize to Obama

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Donkey

Eh.. I'm a Democrat too, and an admitted Hillary hater. But honestly, I'm not sure how I feel about that comment. I can see a normal person using that event just to note that that fight went on til June... But then again, this IS Hillary we're talking about. I wouldn't put anything past her, and I could imagine her saying that to give some supers pause about the idea of nominating him, for fear that he will be assassinated (not an entirely unreasonable fear). She could have noted the 1980 convention instead, if she needed an example other than her husband's 1992 bid. The 1980 convention turned out bad for the Dems (Reagan was elected, arguably because of the split Dem party), but so did 1968's (Nixon was elected). I dunno.. I guess I can totally see Hillary having the worst possible motives here, but even I don't want to think that's what she meant. Just f*cking scary - and yet another reason I don't think he should put her a heartbeat away from the Number One spot.

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Donkey

youngdem, I didn't see your last post before my post went up, but you are dead on.

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Clinton

I really think it is stupid to suggest that her intention was to suggest obama could be assasinated, admittedly she should have thought about her comments a little more before she made them. But when it comes down to it I think it was another example of her `mis-speaking`

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Donkey

Thought about her comments more? She said the same thing, almost verbatim, in March: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/23/clinton.comments/ That doesn't seem like mis-speaking, but rather a pre-scripted comment with thinly veiled subtext.

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Elephant3

This comment is just another link in her chain of shameful conduct. She has been called to task repeatedly on her less than truthful commentary and her campaign's smear tactics. Hillary is probably the only candidate who would improve her campaign by locking herself in a room and not speaking until the primaries.

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Donkey

I second Ariyel's comment above.

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Brown

I understand why she referenced the Kennedy run in 68, since it's a notable example of the primaries carrying on into June that American's are generally more likely to be familiar with. It was probably the wrong reference to make, but I think seriously taking this as a suggestion of a possible Obama assassination does her a disservice. Frankly she should be taken to task for attempting to compare the primary season in 1992 and 1968 with the one in 2008, which is quite ridiculous given the differences between them.

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Tancredo

Tickers, i couldn't have said it better.

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Donkey

Tickers & Morg, consider: She mentioned the exact same thing about two months earlier (see my link above), so this was not just an off-the-cuff "mis-speaking." And youngdem's second comment is on point: She could have chosen other, more recent examples and (much more tellingly), she could have just said "the 1968 nomination process went until June." She didn't say that. She said (more or less) "we all remember RFK was assassinated in June 1968." TWICE. I unfortunately think there is a low but disturbing chance that some white supremacist group will assassinate Obama at some point, and I would not just assume that she did not intend to subtly suggest that with either mention of RFK's assassination. That would be devastating for our country, and could - at the margin - convince some supers not to nominate him. Do you really think she's not desperate enough to try it? I'm not saying she did mean it like that, but I'm also not saying she didn't.

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Brown

I don't see what a previous statement has to do with it, it just means that she has used the same example before. Interestingly there was no offense or outrage at previous utterances, which to me explains why she used the example repeatedly. The simplest explanation is that she is making a case for staying in the race and 1968 is an example that a lot of people are familiar with because people know that Kennedy was shot in June in the primary season. That is the argument she is making and that is the argument that should be considered. Politicians do occasionally phrase things poorly or use bad examples, we've seen McCain's '100 years' and Obama's 'bitter' comments twisted far away from what both candidates were actually talking about. The issue is not 'will Obama be assassinated?' but 'is Hillary's comparison valid?' (the answer is no).

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Independent

Anyone who makes an issue out of Clinton's remarks are reaching for anything they can to try and make her look bad. I am no Clinton fan, but what she said was perfectly fine to me. She simply said that BK stayed in the nominating process until June, and as we all remember that is when he was assasinated. It's history folks, maybe you who complain would like to rewrite that too?

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Donkey

Used2B, what's your take on the points I made in my most recent comment (without being conclusory and dismissive)? Why didn't she choose other, more direct language? Why not choose other, more recent and comparable examples of nomination fights that went until June (e.g., 1980)? Yes or No: Do you acknowledge that her comments have led to the discussion of Obama's assassination (this debate itself demands a "yes" answer); and might such talk cause SOME concern that he could be assassinated I (I know this to be true from talking to some friends of mine)? Do you agree that if Obama were to be elected and assassinated, it would be a terrible blow to our country? If so, do you agree that any hesitation about electing Obama for that reason benefits Hillary (obviously yes)? And are you 100% certain that Hillary wouldn't take advantage of such a benefit on purpose?

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Obama

Does anyone watch Hannity's America on Fox News? That's got to be the most bull sh*t, biased, anti-Obama, pro-Republican,unintelligent, garbage I have ever seen.

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Neutral

Shame is an emotion that is shared by human beings and she lost her place in that catagory when she stated she was staying in the race in the event a sniper took out Senator Obama.

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