FreedomFighter said 02/15, 02:09 AM
The United States of America is the worlds most powerful economic and Military nation in the world. We end forgin governments that put fear in their people and take their freedoms. The only problem we have is we are not careful when choosing who we should get involved with. It was a good thing we invaded Afganistan, because they attacked our nation. We went down the path of trouble when President Bush had decided to invade the nation of Iraq. When we did this everything went down hill and America became a lot less looked at as the "Big man on campus." When the president called for this invasion it went against what his father had said when he declared war on Iraq, "we dont wanna look like the bullet in the middle east." This invasion made the united States look like the bullet and many nations turned against us and began to diskile us. If the president would of played the Iran card right then we wouldn't have as much enemys as we do. With Iran as a major enemy,we made their allies our enemys as well. if the president had played our cards right with them we wouldnt have China, Russia, and Lebanon's Hizballah hating us as much,and we would have better realtions with the Shia Muslims
eaglecap said 02/15, 12:54 PM
I agree with your general premise, with some exceptions. First, Afghanistan DID NOT attack the US. Bin Laden was believed to have taken refuge there, and that's where we went looking for him. In the meantime, we had to kick the Taliban around a little to sort through the rubble of a country torn apart by invasion and civil strife over the previous decade.
I agree-the invasion of Iraq has led much of the rest of the world to view the US as an aggressive imperialistic state.
It's presumptive to think that a different US approach to Iran would have resulted in a weaker Sino-Iran relationship. They have been trading partners for centuries-it's not as if they just discovered each other last week. Similarly, Russia and Iran are neighbors and long-time trading partners, if for different reasons than today. Nevertheless, the competition for trade does not have to be a zero sum game. This could be a case of one tide floating several boats.
Hezbollah, as long as the US is willing to protect Israeli interests in the Middle East, will be our enemy, regardless of what we do elsewhere. When Shia and Sunni get along with each other, maybe the US can get along with both.
FreedomFighter said 02/15, 03:44 PM
your very wrong to think that if the US had approaced Iran diffrently that we would have a weaker Sino-Iran. If you know anything about Hezballah you would know that they are fueled by Iran both in military and in money, if bush had looked at the past he would of seen that The president of Iran is doing exactly what Saddam Hussein did, Iran was surrounded by a powerful country that could destroy them so they wanted to look like a contenter in the fight by going along with what the US said, and that was that Iran had a nuclear weapon. We must of known all along because when the public began to push away from bush on the issue of Iran's nukes he all of the sudden got this important information. that they havent had a program since 2003 or 2004 And yes the government of Afganistan did attack the United States because the taliban had complete control over that country, it was the talibans state. We had the opportunity to fix our problems with Iran since the Aytollah, and we didnt take advantage of it. if we would of taken advantage of this new president and opened new doors maybe Iran would of told hezballah to let lebanon to deal with their own problems and to stay of conflict.
eaglecap said 02/15, 04:08 PM
I'm not sure how you surmised that I said a different US approach to the issues in Iran would have weakened Sino-Iranian relations. I clearly stated that I thought a different US policy would have resulted in nothing different visa vi China and Iran.
Your speculation that Iran was consciously incubating the impression that they had nuclear weapons is erroneous. Iran never claimed to have nukes, but did at one time claim to be developing them.
I think you may be confusing the Taliban with Al Quaida. Does it help to know that the vast majority of the 9/11 highjackers were from Saudi Arabia? (don't worry, Bush can't tell them apart, either).
Again, a different approach to Iran that would result in them calling off the Hezbollah dogs? Speculation, at best.
FreedomFighter said 02/16, 01:30 AM
the problem with your arugment is you are very one sided and dont look at the other side of the picture. You dont think that if we had approaced Iran diffrently that we wouldnt be so hated in the middle east? If you didnt know Iran and Iraq are enemies, when we took out the dictator we should of asked them to help us rebuild a stable government there, this would of changed Middle Eastern views on the United States and thats a fact. For you to also say that Iran never said that they had nukes is very wrong. They went along with what we said and claimed that they had "advanced" and "destructive" technology that could hurt the United States. Another thing you sated in the argument above is wrong to, the Taliban is in Afghanistan and Al Quaida is a terriorist group based in the once Taliban runled nation of Afghastian. Had we done better with China's ally Iran we wouldnt be so concerned about China taking sides in case of a fight between America and Middle Eastern countries, in fact our speculation of war would be at a far minium compared to now. Again Hezbollah is controled by Iran and better attitudes with them make better attitudes with Hezbollah.
eaglecap said 02/17, 11:14 AM
You insist on using the phrase "approach Iran differently" without having offered any specifics. The fact of the matter is that regardless of our intent or approach to the situation in Iran, it is our relationship with Israel that drives our Mid East policy as it regards Hezbollah.
There are some pertinent facts you should know:
Any long lasting alliance based in the Middle East is going to rely on concurrent religious doctrines. In other words, China may be a trading party with Iran, but the chances of them being allies is remote.
Hezbollah emerged in Lebanon, and is allied to Syria.
The Taliban and Al Quaida are two separate and distinct radical Islamic organizations, with some cross pollenization. They are not one and the same, which you seem to be claiming.
If you think the world has ever loved us then "**** by yuh" to you. The rest of the world has for the most part been envious, jealous and, not pleased that we have been so strong, wealthy and wise over the years. Power has always made strange bedfellows and always will. It's a wiser person that accepts their peer states w/ a vision that sees past them. Does anyone really think that when the wall came down communism and the Soviet Union were doomed...give me a break... An interesting thing to do is go to your local library or find old issues of "Life" and "The Saturday Evening Post" and read the issues just prior to and after WW II you'd be amazed at what the views of the World were then...no different than today.
Gemma | 02/16/08
Report Offensive Commentfreedom fighter is clearly right on the taliban and the issue of iran. What he said is true better realtionships with certin people will create a domino effect that will make better realtionships with other people. We live in the most Beautiful country in the world all we need is a good leader...OBAMA.
mightyman | 02/17/08
Report Offensive Commentfreedom fighter is right about our relations with certain countries. However you should realize that Hezbollah financed by Iran and Syria and not ordered around. Eaglecap was right when he stated as long was we support the Israeli state than Hizbollah will be the U.S.A's enemy that can't be changed. Also if we had been more friendly with Iran that wouldn't have changed it's stance when it comes to Israel or even Iraq. If we invited it to work with us to build a stable Iraq i would have worked with us but remember this, every nation puts it's intentions in front of the intentions of others. No nation is an exception. Don't get me wrong i believe we should change our foreign policy but eaglecap made a better argument and freedom fighter hasn't really put up a good fight. in my opinion.
Mark | 02/17/08
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Just because Iran is a Muslim country, that doesn't mean every Muslim nation is also against us. How does Iran have anything to do with China, Russia and Hezbollah. Yes, maybe if Bush was a bit smarter, we wouldn't have those enemies, but it isn't related to Iran. Also, if China doesn't like us, why are they lending us some ridiculous amount of money for the war.
philpee2 | 02/15/08
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