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MorgMcA said 06/19, 01:44 PM
that's funny. you say that the world should look at and emulate the part of America that desparately tries to be like Europe. I come from the west coast, "Granola Belt" if you will and I think it is shows in many ways America at it's worst. The Granola Belt and New England (what I assume you mean by E Coast) are at least not the idealistic places you think they are

I've lived in places where people expect Gov to solve all their problems. it doesn't work and the mindset encourages people to blame Gov for their problems and it encourages them to become more self centered

Also I have never met a more self-absorbed, snooty, or nose-in-the-air group of people than the relatively affluent in Seattle or Conn and can only assume that it would be similar in other areas w/ the similar culture for the affluent

Religion you say is apparently a very bad thing. Honestly I live in the "none-zone" and yes society can survive w/ a large religious presence, but it's not necessarily a good thing

Also these places you list also happen to have the highest capital crime rates in the nation, despite their progressive slant on gun control or capital punishment, or perhaps... because of it

MorgMcA said 06/19, 10:15 PM
Really, most of the people that I met who disliked Americans or at least complained about them, said that Americans were cultureless and cared more about money than life. that's hardly representative of the central states wouldn't you agree. People hate the business tycoons and their inflated influence. People hate the fact that Americans can claim ownership of much of the world's globalization process and many of the businesses that spring up as a result. Disney is often just another American domination of a world market. I don't think anyone outside of the US even regards hillbillies and rednecks as anything more than humorous ignorant folk

really, I don't know, to me there's something to be said for a religion that doesn't make God bow down to the latest whims of society

y'know I've always found people to be friendlier in the smaller towns than the innercity, whether I was in Europe or America. I highly doubt you've ever met a Mormon, so don't tell me that they're the reason everyone hates America. Also, given the comparison between the rich bobbleheaded-bleach blond and the agrarian Amishman, I think calling America offensive because of the Amish seems a bit absurd

MorgMcA said 06/20, 04:48 PM
Stee, Stee, Stee... You're flip-flopping like a fish on dry land. The only consistant thing you've said is that America should be judged by the Coasts. The geographic definition of which you've changed 3 times. the 1st time it was the progressive, liberal areas such as New England and the granola belt. next it changes to Florida, California and business capitol New York versus the conservative heartlands and America is bad because of the conservative heartland. Finally I don't know what the region you refer to anymore as you include Phoenix and Las Vegas, which are in the middle of the desert, as coastal cities and the port of Chicago as not a coastal city

You call mormons extremists and then say you are good friends with them

you complain that America is religious then say there is nothing wrong w/ it

I think you seriously misunderstand America. A large part of American culture is the great expanse of our country (prevelant in the central states). Salt Lake City may not be as big as New York, but it is just as much a part of American culture. The cowboy culture, which you may find backward, is still a part of America's can do attitude (a very good part of America)