Florida said 08/26, 02:36 AM
We all know Obama's strengths, the media and a number of groups have spoken about them. Lets focus for a moment on his threats.
1. NOVEMBER VOTER APATHY: Obama's biggest support during the primaries came from the youth in institutions of learning. They made 63% (CNN) of his total support. Now we all know how easy it is to mobilize in Universities, precisely because students are a captive audience there and there are existing groups to do the mobilization.In November, these students will have disintegrated and moved to their homes. Chances are that when they are not in the environment of their peers then there will be voter apathy.
2. HIS CAMPAIGN TEAM. They seem to have become arrogant towards the media, and Hillary's supporters. Not a good move.
3. HIS FAMILY: His wife who has caused controversy with her statements in the past and his brother in Kenya who is poor and ill, and recently made statements about how "two faced" Barrack was not bothered by their condition.
4. CLINTON FACTOR: This family is still unbelievably strong and popular in the US politics and sidelining them would be fatal.
5. BLACK: Too much emphasis on the color will cost him dearly.
Mark said 08/26, 12:18 PM
All ur so called threats don't exist. I'll counter each point with points of my own.
1. Do u really think that his young supporters only support him out of peer pressure? Do you really think that they will just decide NOT to vote for him even though they voted for him in the primaries especially when the general election is actually the election to make him president? He won't lose his younger supporters to McCain.
2. His campaign team is anything but arrogant toward Clinton supporters. They have a whole sections welcoming them on his website. he is constantly trying to get Hillary to speak louder for him and bring in her voters especially the elderly.
3. The statements she made that were "controversial" were only blown up cuz of the republicans trying to take advantage of anything or anyone near Obama. At the convention she did a great job at conveying a typical american family to better relate to others. Family won't be a problem for him.
4. He has tried to befriend them but they are most still bitter. It's not his fault they can't learn to lose. He's done enough and plans more in the conventions to bring her supporters to him.
he never talks about his race.it isn't a prob
Florida said 08/26, 03:10 PM
You missed the point Mark. Please read my 1st argument thoroughly then oppose it.
Your second point has not introduced any counter argument except to say the staff is not arrogant. I'm sorry thats not enough to stand.
Do you have anything to say about his brother's comments from Kenya. Again read my point here from my previous argument.
On his race, I didn't say he speaks about it, but the media emphasizes this point a lot and people surrounding him like Jesse Jackson Jr and other black activists.
If I have to say, I am not enjoying this debate, but I hope it'll improve.
Mark said 08/26, 04:15 PM
on the race issue, the media stopped obsessing about his race 10 years ago! no one talks about it anymore except for u.
i don't see how his brother or whoever in Kenya will affect Obama or his campaign for president. I don't know about you but i ,like most people, don't get swayed from one candidate to the other based on comments from a relative living in Africa when i'm electing someone in the U.S.
on your 2nd point about the arrogance of obama's campaign, you fail to show how they ARE arrogant in the first place! They are the ones reaching out to hillarry supporters, they never acted like "We're gonna win this election with a landslide" they always said it was gonna be hard and McCain would be a challenge.
So basically, your 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 5th arguments are completely wrong. Race isn't an issue in the campaign, Obama's family is only getting better with the media and there is no "controversy" and it was blown up in the past by republicans. He won't lose the young vote at all. they still stand by him. and on ur 4th point, Obama has never sidelined them. he's honoring them very well at the conventions. It's the clintons that are having a hard time coming toward him.
Florida said 08/27, 09:15 AM
On the race issue, you need to wake up and smell the coffee. I don't know which part of the country you live in, but you sure are in denial and deprived of what going on in the public discourse.
I am currently in Australia, I read three newspapers here that carried the story about his suffering family in Kenya and the interviews they had with his brother (uncensored). Its not what his brother says its the impression created by his statements. In case you don't know, impressions last in politics. All I'm saying about the five threats is that each one of these points need to be managed closely to prevent character damage in his part.
The arrogance and complacency of his campaign team towards the media and Hillary supporters will prove to be fruitless in November unless Obama himself does something about it. If you have not seen this tendency, again, I will say wake up and smell the coffee.
In this regard, Obama can thank Hillary's speech on Tuesday at the convention. It played a big part to unify the party, though I think he is not doing enough from his side.
Arguments like yours are the ones that cost Al Gore the Presidency in 2000. Complacency and entitlement.
Mark said 08/27, 01:02 PM
who are you to speak of what the media says in THE U.S. if you live in Australia! if stories are running about his race and family in Kenya, they certainly aren't getting much attention here. The race issue, was dealt with long ago in this country. Maybe not in Australia, but over here we're moving on.
No one knew about his brother's statements in Kenya until you mentioned it. You know why? CUZ NO ONE CARES what a brother in Kenya thinks of his brother. It won't get people health insurance or military families any more help. ppl don't decide to vote for someone or not based on comments made by a brother half a world away.
again, Obama and his staff are trying to do all they can to bring Clinton supporters by their side in a respectful manner. YOu need to move into this country and actually smell the real coffee buddy!
We have still yet to hear his speech. Michelle Obama certainly praised Clinton to help gain her supporters. They are doing more than you know even if they don't get national attention.
basically, i have been able to denounce every single of on your argument. They have no foundation, and are just fruitless statements.
there are some significant threats toward Obama and his campaign, just not a relative in Africa, a family that loves him, his outreaching staff toward clinton voters, and especially not his race. i actually would like to apologize for the tone i took in my last argument. I was a bit heated. but i stand by the points i made. Had florida mentioned a threat like, McCain's ads or something than i believe he would have been right, or about Obama's religion. but he didn't. Those are the real threats. Not the ones he mentioned.
Mark | 08/27/08
Report Offensive CommentYES "Florida"!! Another WIN for US Republicans...in Florida (Oh, I mean Australia) hint, hint. I hope we don't have to win this one in FLORIDA again! In the United States Supreme Court. Even your disguise is transparent, as is your arguments. Elections in America are starting to stink, especially starting in Florida. And especially arguing from Florida claiming to be in Australia and concerned about Kenya. You don't give a damn about Kenya. And if you had a brother in Kenya, I'm sure you wouldn't visit PERIOD. I think we should let Florida, join Puerto Rico (and Austratia?) and form their own Nation. Florida, if you're going to debate a topic, at least be honest about which party you claim affiliation. Of course you're going to WIN if you set up your question as neutral then take on a intensely more critical position as time runs short. There's only three people on the planet who feel like the Clinton's didn't unite their party, and all three seem to sign onto this debate site. Even the DNC would agree that the DNCC was a unifying convention. And they hope to do the same this coming week. Can a Republican win anything truthfully anymore? Damn Florida, I'm embarassed for you.
Brent_GOP | 08/30/08
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I will wait to see what marks final comment is but Florida does a good closing arguement in my opinion. I wont vote until Mark makes his final comment
AppleFritter | 08/27/08
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