Austhus won the Face Off.
Stewart
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Ties: 1
Lawrence, KS
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Biden
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Losses: 20
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No matter who wins the Democratic nomination, there will not be a Clinton-Obama ticket this election season.


I'm not implying that there is a large degree of acrimony between these two candidates. Instead, I imply that, based on the rhetoric they've thrown at each other, it would be too easy politically to attack either an Obama-Clinton or Clinton-Obama ticket. Instead of making each other stronger, they open themselves to attack from McCain's camp.

Additionally, both candidates have many other viable options for a veep. Hillary, if she wants to solidify her minority and immigration credentials, could pick up Bill Richardson. I also could see her picking up an attack dog in Joseph Biden.

Obama has a few options, as well. If he wanted a woman veep, Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebilius has been on the short-list for some time. He may also choose to shore up his bipartisan credentials in Michael Bloomberg or a different moderate Republican, such as Chuck Hagel.

No matter what, though, there are too many options for either candidate to open themselves up for a political attach by choosing the other.


First of all, they've actually kept it fairly civil between the two of them. There have been some 'sparks' but, all the while, neither one has resisted the chance to say how 'amazing' the other is. If Hillary were to somehow win, there's absolutely no one she'd rather have than Obama; she's lost all momentum with the people who will elect one of them to office and he's got it all. Barack has more latitude with whom he choses, and he could well not chose Clinton, but it has nothing to do with fear of Republican attacks.

Also, the Republicans won't waste their time with the whole, "You were rivals and now you're campaigning together, and that shows a weakness of character," spiel, because that kind of thing happens all the time on both sides. Besides, they'll be too busy talking about how Barack had drug-related troubles as a young man, and how Hillary... well, they don't need to say much; their base inexplicably HATES Hillary; they'll just feed on that.

Anyhow, if the Democrats are so spineless that they let the prospect of a little G-rated mud-slinging deter them in anything, then they're completely hopeless, and I don't believe it's the case.


It's not about "you were rivals and now your campaigning together." Instead, arguments could be made to look something like: "Well, even your running mate acknowledges your plan for health care isn't possible." It opens up a weakness.

And I would hardly call the contest between Barack and Hillary "civil." Yes, they've had their moments of civility, but these two have been jabbing at each other fairly consistently since Iowa. They've tried to undercut each other too much, and it creates an unnecessary opening for attack, especially given the number of other viable veep options.

They do compliment each other when given the opportunity, but that, I feel, is more of a recognition that they cannot let their contest rip the Democratic party apart.


It's ok that you wouldn't call the contest civil, but Anderson Cooper did in the wake of last night's debate.

Secondly, the response to, "Even your running mate thinks your health care plan is weak,"
is, "Maybe, but my running mate thinks it's a hell of alot better than yours. You can even ask him/her."

Nothing would untie the Democratic party more than these two rival coming together to form a 'super-ticket'. As I said, Hillary is less attractive to Obama's campaign because she somehow inspires animosity in right-leaning casual political observers, but if Hillary wins the nomination, there's absolutely no one she'd rather have than Obama.

And there really isn't much more speculative insight for me to share. Bottom line: There certainly can be a Clinton-Obama ticket; it's very likely in fact, and when you 'nay' voters see it, you need to come back here and change your votes. Deal?


Even by all accounts, Hillary has no interest in playing "second fiddle" to Obama. Obama could take some serious credibility hits to his credibility as a "uniter" by taking one of the most divisive figures in Washington as his running mate.

At the recent Governor's Meeting this past weekend, everyone seemed focused on who would be the vice presidential candidates. Everyone at the meeting seemed convinced no candidate could possibly have the option of NOT choosing a governor for a running mate.

Kathleen Sebilius: ???Fourteen of the 28 Democratic governors are serving in states won by George Bush in 2004. Having governors on the ground who know how to turn out the vote and know the right messages for their states can be enormously helpful to a presidential candidate.???

The list goes on for comments in that same vein. Finally, I would like to point out that this will be the first time in more than 50 years that neither party has run a candidate from the sitting White House (either Pres or VP). It would seem foolish to attempt to run a Presidential campaign for the Democrats with absolutely no executive experience whatsoever.


Honestly, there's very little chance of an Obama-Clinton campaign. Very little chance. But this debate is about the likelihood of a Clinton-Obama ticket! If the topic said Obama-Clinton, I wouldn't have taken it, yet your whole last entry is devoted to the probability of such a ticket. We agree on that!

As Hillary's chances get dimmer and dimmer, this discussion becomes more and more academic, but seriously, who would Hillary rather have as a running mate than Obama? John Edwards? Bill isn't eligible. And why wouldn't Obama accept? It would put him in a great position to succeed Hillary.

You say, "No matter who wins the Democratic nomination, there will not be a Clinton-Obama ticket this election season."

And I say, "Not true, if HILLARY wins, there will be a Clinton-Obama ticket." That's all I've been saying.

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Paul

good arguments on both sides. although i'm not sure how obama has been 'jabbing' at clinton. he really hasn't. he rarely mentions her name, and he never says a negative word about her.

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Stewart

Obama most frequently "jabs" Hillary when he references Iraq. His famous "I've opposed going into Iraq from day 1" speeches are a reference to Hillary's vote for authorization back at the beginning of the war.

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Biden

The third word of my third paragraph of my second argument is supposed to be "unite", not "untie". Just thinking, that could change the meaning a little bit.

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Biden

There's ALREADY talk of an Obama-Clinton campaign! I hope you can live with yourselves voting against this...

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Clinton

What talk? I just thought it would unite not only democrats, but also all of the "middle-of-the-road voters" Let's see McCain beat that!

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Richardson

I don't think Obama wants to be afilliated with the Clinton family whatsoever. He's running on a "Change/Hope"...if he were to run with Clinton it would be sending the opposite message.

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Stewart

However this turns out, it's been a great debate, Bligh. I've had more fun watching this one than most of my past debates.

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Biden

As mountains of analysis pile up by the day suggesting that it simply won't happen, and considering that my, "I hope you can live with yourselves," comment was my last feeble gasp, I humbly accept defeat. Nicely done Austhus, I look forward to more.

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