Republicans are Loyal to America. Democrats are not.
yngster said 02/27, 01:49 PM
The democrats have been selling this country out to the communists for the past decade. Time and time again the Democrats have betrayed us.
Austhus said 02/27, 02:38 PM
What facts do you have to back any of your assertions up? Right now you have a partisan statement based entirely on opinions and no facts to prove your claim as true. While Democrats are more left-leaning and have incorporated some ideas from socialist-oriented countries, I would HARDLY say Democrats have sold America to Communists.
If anything, I feel the Democrats are more strict protectionists of the Constitution, with everything Bush and his allies in Congress have tried to do to break down basic freedoms guaranteed by our founding document.
So, please, take your 1950's McCarthyism fear mongering elsewhere; it serves no good in the public forum.
yngster said 02/27, 02:48 PM
Actually, that's where you are wrong. There are plenty of facts to back up my statements. Maybe you've heard of the Clinton's China Gate Scandal. John Huang and norman Hsu funded money into the Democratic Natinal Committee. John Huang was later given a job in the commerce department and he was caught with Patriot Defense Missile documents.That missile is an anti-ballistic missile. Also, Norman Hsu gave Hillary Clinton 200,000 dollars for her campaing once again in 2007. Go ahead and say that no other democrat has done that. Go ahead and say that that is not fact.
Austhus said 02/27, 03:01 PM
Norman Hsu? You mean the guy who lived in California and was doing the "bundling" of campaign contributions? Just because a man has a Chinese name doesn't mean he's a "communist agent." In fact, Mr. Huang, while perhaps not the most savory character on the planet, fled with his family from China as a child to escape Communism. Why would a Communist sympathizer run away?
If you want to talk specifics on loyalty, I've got my own exhibits. Meet former Rep. Mark D. Siljander, a Republican from Michigan who was indicted this year on funneling money to an Afghan warlord designated a terrorist.
Speak all you want on Republican purity and loyalty for America. No party is totally pure, but blanket statements like yours do a disservice to the American people and rational debate.
yngster said 02/27, 03:47 PM
In 2004 John Kerry's news max stated that Kerry's Donation Records were under fire. John kerry wrote 2 letters to a Lt. Col. Liu after recieving several thousand dollars from her. Lt. Col. Liu worked in the PLA(Chinese Intelligence) afer writing the letters Kerry stated that he had never met that woman before and that he had no recolection of taking the illegal contributions.
Also in 2004 The new York Posted reported" Top Chinese Officials have confirmed that a Top Generals Spy-Trained Daughter funneled illegal campaign cash into the Democratic National Committe"-Debrah Orin, new York Post.
Austhus said 02/27, 04:03 PM
Kerry's denial of said contributions, while wrong, mean very little. Lt. Col. Liu was working for a Hong Kong aerospace company known to do business with several Western countries. It's not uncommon for foreign countries to donate to political parties in order to gain favor with them. Both parties receive contributions from companies all over the world, although it is considered politically dangerous to do so.
As for your headline citation from the New York Post, let's review your sources and get something a bit more neutral next time. The Post is one of the most anti-Democratic newspapers in the country. Some headlines pulled from today's Post newspaper: "NY PHIL GETS COMMIES CLAPPIN' FOR CLAPTON", "SHUTTERED STARBUCKS GETS SLAM-DUNKIN'D," and my personal favorite " 'ANGUI$H' IN NEW JERSEY."
I tend not to take a paper very seriously that exchanges a dollar sign for an "s" in a headline. I suggest you don't either.
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My reputation is that great, my ego is that large, and your opening statements are that ridiculous.
Austhus | 02/27/08
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"Youngster" indeed. This is a rant, not a debate topic. You've already dropped your biggest bomb...this topic and the lack of substantive arguments to back it up. Got any more irrelevant examples to offer?
Hadrian | 02/27/08
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Your topic is too simplistic and stereotypical.
twelve angry men | 02/27/08
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I agree, Twelve. I think I accepted it because I wanted to see what kind of dirt could be dug up. So far, I'm not impressed in the slightest.
Austhus | 02/27/08
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The topic was about how the democrats have been selling this country out to communists for the past decade. have any republicans taken money from the communists?
yngster | 02/27/08
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Actually, the topic says "Republicans are Loyal to America. Democrats are not." Your thesis statement says nothing on Communism. Let's know your own topic before you try to argue how wrong I am.
Austhus | 02/27/08
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That was a good debate. This actually has nothing to do with this topic. Since you analyze the media I was just wondering what you think about the Media' McCain article.
yngster | 02/27/08
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By the way. Lt. Col. Liu worked for the PLA and the Areospace company. The areospace company is state owned.
yngster | 02/27/08
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I assume you are referencing the NYTimes article on McCain's close relationship with a lobbyist. I've always preferred the acts of public figures, such as McCain, to be played out in the public eye. While a lot of conservatives are calling it a "hit job" on McCain, it doesn't change the fact that few of the facts in the particular story are disputed. I've generally found that whenever bad news is reported, the knee-jerk reaction is to blame the media. Both sides do this, I'm not absolving the Democrats. I think the Times has handled things appropriately so far, and it was certainly an appropriate article to run, given McCain's work to restrict lobbyist access to politicians. We'll see how it plays out, but I think the most it will do is rally the ultra-conservative right-wing to McCain's side.
Austhus | 02/27/08
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Wasn't Bush attempting to sell some key seaports to a United Arab Emirates-based company?
ynotme | 02/27/08
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Yeah... I think he did try to do that. Those politicians want to break apart this country and sell it piece by piece.
yngster | 02/29/08
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The port issue is a non-issue. China, Saudi Arabia and many other countries already "own" many of of America's ports. If you really think its that big of an issue, challenge me to a debate on it; I will show you precisely how much it has been overblown, fueled by ignorance and racism.
Consequentialist Libertarian | 03/01/08
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yngster | 02/27/08
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