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Obama actually doesn't hold the popular vote including MI and Florida or even not including MI. So, you initial argument is flawed. As long as Florida is counted Hillary has the popular vote. She is expected to take more of a lead in Penn. In every contest here delegates awarded do not match the percent of the popular vote she won. Texas is a prime example. Nevada is another. He got one more delegate when she won the state. It really should be a much tighter race.

Eveas | 03/07/08

Umm, it sounds to me like NA is not combating Bulldoglover in anyway. It is pointless to start a debate in which both parties agree! The American people can do that math, and NA your right, the American Media is biased. The Media is biased in favor of Obama, so I have no idea why you are complaining. The media has endorced Obama quietly from day one. On the front of every news paper and every prime time news showing is a big fat picture of Obama. Where's Clinton, WHere's McCain? Oh yea that's right, page 4! The reason why this primary is still very much in the air is because the two candidates are very close. Even if Hillary doesn't win, it is highly likely that the superdelegates would overturn the decision bye the general delegates primarily because of two reasons. 1. Obama has won the majority of states, but not the majority of Deomocratic states. Obama has won mostly all of the conservative states which in the general election means zilch because he has no chance of winning those states. 2. Hillary has won all the major states. If the delegates of California and New York weren't split up, like they aren't in the regular election where winner takes all. Then Obama would have a huge problem on his hands right now and Clinton would be a shoe-in like McCain. If the you want to see a Democrate in office, your best choice is to go with CLinton. If you go with Obama, Clinton will run on her own ticket and split the Democratic vote in half. The democrates have the majority this year, but not so much so that you can be split in half and still win the general election.

shrek | 03/07/08

Apparently you guys haven't done much research; neither candidate has enough delegates to win the nomination.

Consequentialist Libertarian | 03/09/08

Actually when the electoral votes are tallied using the states that Obama has won compared to the ones won by Clinton? Obama still comes out. He is also still leading as best to beat McCain in November even after Ohio and Texas. Obama also has cross over appeal where 80% of those voting have stated they would vote for him if he were the nominee while only 36% have said they would cross over and vote for Clinton. It's a no win situation for Clinton as so many have been saying for weeks but just as with all the troubles they have had in the past, they think if they ignore them, they will go away......

Bulldoglover | 03/10/08

At Eveas: Actually Obama does hold the popular vote. Without Florida and Michigan: Obama: 13,025,003 Clinton: 12,421,316 Including Florida: Obama: 13,601,217 Clinton: 13,292,302 Clinton does pick up the lead if you include Michigan since she gained 328,309 votes, but this gain only happens as Obama withdrew his name from this ballot. It should be noted that 45% of the votes cast in Michigan (238,168) were for uncommitted - a large number of Obama and Edwards supporters went to vote for nobody and we have no idea of how many stayed at home because they couldn't even register an interest. Similarly we don't know how many people didn't bother to vote (for both sides) in Florida and Michigan primaries because their vote didn't count. There is a further complicated matter - Washington, Nevada, Iowa and Maine are yet to release their popular vote totals. While Clinton may have edged the popular vote in Nevada (despite losing the delegate count) it's likely that the other three will provide a much larger boost to Obama's popular vote count and push him further ahead (for reference in both 2000 and 2004 elections the votes cast in Nevada was lower than each of the other three states also still to release their popular vote totals). So the simple math at the moment is that Barack Obama does actually have a fairly healthy lead in the popular vote at the moment, and that it is somewhat larger given the results still unannounced. That is not to say that Clinton can't overturn it - there were some 3 million votes cast for Kerry there in 2004, but it's still a daunting task. (Source: Real Clear Politics)

Tickers | 03/10/08

It's likely that FL and MI will have some sort of "do-over" to allow their delegates to be seated at the convention. But it's also likely that Obama will enter the convention with more popular votes and more pledged delegates than Clinton, while she will have the advantage in superdelegates. The superdelegates will overwhelmingly support the popular votes cast in their districts, states, etc. Not to do so, if that gives Hillary the nomination, would destroy the Democratic Party. It would send the message to those African-Americans who went to the polls, and to those college students who battled un-Godly hangovers to make it to the voting booth that their herculian efforts were for nought. Bulldoglover - McCain's strategy now is to fill his campaign coffers and to let Obama and Clinton deplete their own coffers fighting each other. Clinton will spend everything she's got to disembowel Obama, and he will spend everything he's got to stop her. Meanwhile, McCain will just keep raising money. If Obama doesn't self-destruct, he could win the presidency. If "youthful indescretion" comes into play, McCain will probably win.

swdowning | 03/11/08

I agree with NA. Americans cant do the math. The average blue collar american doesn't know anything about the person they're voting for. They vote for who ever has the best commercial of t.v. They hear: "I have a plan to stop home foreclosures" and they think: "Oh my goodness Hillary is a genius." They dont actually take the time to think it over. They are a bunch of sheep who cant think for themselves and just believe what they're told.

yngster | 03/11/08