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But the fact that our country is controlled by eight families doesn't make you suspicious. What does democracy mean? What does race mean if you are wealthy and successful? If the media and the government stopped making race a big issue it wouldn't be an issue. If someone says the racial slur for an African American let him get beat up, then he'll learn. Post civil war the president has become a puppet for those who are really in power. Look at Grant through George W. Bush. If the founding fathers were alive today they would be calling for a war on the massive federal government who abused their power for ulterior motives. Learn from the past instead of forgetting it.

AhavahOlam | 03/18/08

Where is this eight family thing coming from? The media is primarily owned by six corporations, three of which are public: CBS, Time-Warner, GE, Disney, News Corp. and Viacom. CBS and Viacom are owned by Sumner Redstone (Republican), Time-Warner is public (CEO Jeff Bewkes is Democrat), GE is public (CEO Jeff Immelt tries to remain politically neutral), Disney is public (CEO Rupert Iger is Democrat), and News Corp. is owned by Rupert Murdoch (Republican). The media likes to play with race because it's gossip and gossip sells and the media usually tilts left anyways (http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/Media-Bias-Is-Real-Finds-UCLA-6664.aspx?RelNum=6664). If America was really as evil and racist as Wright insinuates, Obama would have vanished into obscurity long ago.

Ariyel | 03/18/08

Ariyel? You there have a rebuttle or stumped? You can forfeit...you know I am right.

crimo | 03/18/08

Sorry Crimo, not done yet.

Ariyel | 03/18/08

There were a few more things I wanted mention about racial barriers. Barack Obama cannot say everything Hilary Clinton can say, if he wants to maintain his campaign. What I mean is that he cannot mention to much about civil rights specifically for blacks, if he doesn't want to be considered the next Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson. He cannot ome across as pro-black, or he will indeed lose much of his white vote and deter possible white and probably hispanic and asian voters. Do you remember that debate that aired on CNN and telemundo? The candidates were asked if they believed that Blacks were losing their jobs to hispanic illegal and legal immigrants. He of course couldn't agree, and insist that blacks couldn't blame unemployment on immigrants. Of course shrewd and frigid, Hilary Clinton took that chance to reel in ignorant Black voters and admitted that Blacks were losing employment to hispanics.

crimo | 03/18/08

If Hillary even mentions the word black to describe her coffee someone is standing in the wings to call her a racist. There are plenty of things she is not allowed to say. Jesse Jackson while working for the Obama campaign even called her a racist for crying in public. There are barriers in place. At the moment they actually support Obamas nomination. It shows in his taking 92% of the black vote in the last primary. You mentioned the statements about HIV being old beliefs. That does not make them correct. So, you are already using an example of Reverent Wright being completely wrong. Saying America deserved to be attacked is wrong on so many levels as well as unpatriotic. You can disagree with policy, but to say we deserve to have thousands die in a terrorist attack is just plain evil. I would say the same for Pat Roberts comments on Katrina as well as other far right religious leaders comments of a similar nature.

Eveas | 03/19/08

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McPolitiK | 03/19/08

Your comments about Clinton subject to racism aren't true. Jesse Jackson did not call her crying racist? What are you talking about? Did that air on Fox News or something?

crimo | 03/19/08

I do not agree with Rev. Wright's comments about America being deserved to be attacked by terroists. But as I mentioned at the same time you have to consider his background. He was born in an era of un-subtle racism, hatred and segregation. He is a product of his environment. But then you have to consider, did America deserve this? In no way am I defending the taking of thousands of lives in the attack, but look at America's history and present. I have heard many people of all races(especially whites), say how much they hate America. These people fail to realize with all the atrocities of America, we live like no one else, we have access to things people of other countries have little access to. We have a superior position in the world, the president of the United States is dubbed to have the most important job in the world. When misfortune come to other countries, America is almost called upon to help. As much as you may like to believe different, America is a greedy consumer nation. In times of apartheid, the US goverment was nothing but a bystander, and with the conflict in Sudan, in present times, the government still remains a bystander. And the reason for this is that America does not want to ruin relations with the Arabs of Darfur, they do not want to lose oil.

crimo | 03/19/08

Here is an article concerning the "barriers" in place for black america. http://www.city-journal.org/html/11_1_whats_holding_blacks.html

Ariyel | 03/19/08

Is this a fight for racial equality? FIrst off, let me tell Crimo that barriers have been removed for blacks. Let me put it this way, you argue that white people say they won't for Obama because he is black. How is this diffrent than black people saying they won't vote for McCain or CLinton because there white? Let's face it, race is an issue and racism works both ways. TO think that Obama has in anyway been oppressed is seriously mistaken. He is the rags to riches story! How is that being oppressed? Your argument makes no sence. Blacks have more rights in this country than whites. You argue for equality, but what you really want is blacks to be in power. Prime example is in the OJ Simpson case. OJ Simpson got away with murder because one of the white witnesses said that "(n word)killed her." Should he have said this? Probably not. Does that make OJ any more or less guilty of murdering his wife? Absolutely not! The man commited the crime and got away with it because he screamed racism! I'm black, it's not my fault. It's the white people's fault that oppressed me over 50 years ago. If you are not over the age of 60 and a black citizen than you have no right to cry any type of racism! Secondly, the media might be owned by so called white families, but those white families sure do give Obama a lot of support. THey sure do seem to put his face in every news broadcast and on the front page of every newspaper. It seems to me like Obama has the monopoly on the press. So I dont understand your argument against the WHITE PRESS!

shrek | 03/19/08

I would have to disagree on several points, Mr Shrek. There are still barriers in place in modern society, but they are social as opposed to legal. It's more a rich/poor divide in modern society rather than black/white, but as a result of the segregation of the recent past the black community (and others) are just more likely to be in the poor category. Social mobility isn't particularly easy - if you come from a poor neighbourhood and attend a poor school you are simply less likely to succeed (at least in terms of getting a well paid job and so on). On the OJ Simpson case, while the race card was certainly played in order to aquit him he was only able to play it because some of the officers investigating him were either racist or highly incompetant - they botched the investigation and are to blame for the collapse of their case against him.

Tickers | 03/19/08

I agree that there is a divide and rich are on one side and poor are on the other. I also agree that black's are primarily on the poorer divide. However, I do not believe this is all to do with segregation. A black student is 3 times more likely to drop out of high school in a rural area than is a white student. IN a city a black student is 5 times more likely to drop out of high school than is a white student. Why is this? Most of the people that go to inner city schools are poorer kids. Why is it that black students are 5 times more likely to drop out when having similar finacial capabilities? Regardless of what the answer to these two questions are the fact still remains the same that traditionally black people force themselves to stay in the same rute they lived in all their lives because it is the easy road out. That's not what America is about, it's not about easy street. It's about work for what you want and let no one stop you. I applied for college late, in High School I had a 3.2GPA. Because I applied so late I got put on a waiting list for the school I wanted to attend. I found out later that I was put on a waiting list primarily because the college needed to accept more black students because they did not meet their quota for federal aide. I did some personal checking and these men and women that got in ahead of me had a standard average of 2.5! How is this fair? It's not! That is why I say that blacks have equal, I would argue more, rights than whites do in this country.

shrek | 03/19/08

Crimo has a good point. The rich whites do seem to run the country. I believe that its time for the nation to put racism behind us. We need to move on. One of the positive things that Obama brings to the table is that he is the only cannidate that can bridge the racial divide. Wright's comments only fuel racism. So I believe that they are wrong. Obama even made a speach and said himself that they are wrong.

yngster | 03/19/08

I agree with shreks last comment. The women want total equality too and there is nothing wrong with that. I support complete and total equality. This means that women should have to fill out draft cards when they turn 18 just like the men do. I also believe that if women want to serve in the infantry than they should have to meet the same physical standards that men do. Some women would argue that its not fair because very few women can meet the same standards as men. I think that having a women serve in the same platoon as men is unfair to the men because what if someone is wounded and the women has to pick them up and cary them. That women cant and its not fair to the man who must lay there and die.

yngster | 03/19/08

Did anyone hear the speach that Clinton made on MLK day. She was at a black church and she mentioned how congress is run like a plantation and she heard crickets. What was she thinking? LOL

yngster | 03/19/08

crimo, try to make your arguments less based on your opponents ignorance, that only causes people to want to vote against you. Ariyel, your arguments were shift to the point and logical, but one thing that bothered me was your example of the "2005" census. The last census was in 2000, and censuses are every 10 years. Other thatn that great job, and you have earned my vote.

Buckshot | 03/19/08

I apologize, you are absolutely correct. My population statistics were from the 2000 census. On www.infoplease.com the heading for population demographics is "Population of the United States by Race and Hispanic/Latino Origin, Census 2000 and July 1, 2005", I read it wrong.

Ariyel | 03/20/08