John McCain would be a crappy president
crimo said 03/18, 06:29 PM
McCain would be a terrible president. He is not the correct president, especially for the times that we are in. Our economy is in ruins and entering, if not already in a recession. McCain has nothinig to offer as far as the economy. He says that he sees nothing wrong with the economic policies implemented by Bush, such as a tax cut for the wealthy. McCain is now saying he is going to help the economy. McCain campaign is currently based on National Security. Sure he a "war hero", a POW. If he was a good, tactical and strategic soldier, you think he wouldn't of been captured by the enemies. It seems like he isn't well informed about the war. Today, in the middle east he made some incorrect comments about Iran extremists. He wants to continue this war and "win", but also wants to "fix" the economy. This is impossible. McCain is going to bring nothing new to the table. If McCain becomes the president of the United States, expect high gas prices, expect low quality education, expect skyrocketing health care cost, expect skyrocketing foreclosure rates and to be honest, expect a draft.
swdowning said 03/19, 02:03 AM
First, most presidents are seen, during their administrations, as being bad presidents - mostly by the loyal opposition. Being a bad president and being seen as a bad president are two different things. It takes a long time for a president's true impact to be known; so history, not the fact that a contemporary's agenda isn't being advanced, should be the final arbiter.
You imply that JM would be a bad president because he supports the Bush tax cuts, which you claim favor the wealthy. Would JM likely be a better president if the Bush tax cuts didn't favor the rich? According to The Tax Foundation, the top 20% of taxpayers had their tax liability increased, while the lower 80% have had their liability reduced under GWB.
You imply that good soldiers don't get captured. JM was shot down on his 23rd bombing mission over Nam. That's a lot of missions. Support your claim that this is likely to make him a bad president.
Please be specific about the "incorrect comments" you say he made today.
You say that high gas prices, low quality education, higher health care costs, and higher foreclosure rates will result from a JM presidency. Explain how.
Also, why is a draft likely under JM?
crimo said 03/19, 06:48 AM
Whatever child you are you must have definetly been left behind. Youclearly have troble reading sw. I gave support for all of my details. I said good,tactical, smart and strategic soldiers would not get captured.. With this I am implying that McCain is not smart tactical or strategic. These are qualities that a good president needs in this time. The gas prices are going to go up, there will be low quality edu, higher healthcare cost, higher foreclosure rates because McCain is a mere sucessor to the Bush administration. He has said that he sees nothing wrong with the economic policies he has created. Nothing is changed when nothing is done. That is just a simple fact. foreclosure rates healthcare cost and al of the things I mentioned are going to go up. The economy and the war go hand and hand. When Clinton left office he left a surplus, and now after the war we owe billions if not trillions to our enemies such as china and the middle east. We now have a deficit and entering a recession. There will likely be a draft under McCain. He says that we could b in Iraq for 100 years, even though there is no military solution. Going to put some more in Iraq after this pack dies of
swdowning said 03/21, 03:36 AM
Do you think that ad hominem attacks are the way to go here? In my experience, they are used by those who have run out of facts that support their theses.
I think, when you use "successor," you mean that JM pretty much agrees with GWB. I think this is not so because McCain is one of the most liberal nominees the Reps have ever had. A lot of conservatives opposed him in the primaries for this reason.
But you have listed some dire consequences resulting from a JM presidency: higher gas prices, lower quality education, higher health care costs, higher foreclosure rates, and a military draft. Yet when asked to connect those consequences with a JM presidency in any sense meaningful enough to logically establish a cause and effect relationship between the two, you merely restated your predictions.
I think for you to make your case you need to convincingly connect JM's known traits, characteristics, and policy proposals to your predictions, and tell us why your dire conclusions necessarily follow.
Simply hating Bush and pointing out that JM belongs to the same party isn't enough. Simply restating your conclusions isn't enough.
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Crimo, I agree with shrek. As with your debate with me over Wright's statements, you are using accusations, speculation and personal attacks on intelligence to fuel your debate. It is on you to prove your assertion that John McCain would be a bad president.
Ariyel | 03/19/08
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There hasn't been a good-enough argument for me to cast my vote either way, but starting the argument by saying that most presidents are seen as bad while in office is a bit absurd. While I don't necessarily think that McCain will be a bad president, there will certainly be people who will say he's bad, as there have been with all presidents, from Washington to Bush 2. Still, the number of critics and the severity of the criticism should be considered. In other words, I hope you're not suggesting that history will judge a certain train wreck of a president as doing a good job...
IamFry | 03/19/08
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Btw, shrek, many "strong conservatives" don't consider Bush one; they call him a "Neo-conservative", which is a completely different animal.
IamFry | 03/19/08
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JOhn McCain is a bad soldier because he was caputred! John McCain had 4 broken bones when he was captured. He didn't receive any medical treatment and thats why he cant lift his arms up all the way.
yngster | 03/19/08
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Crimo, McCain is not going to impose the draft. In fact, he is a much different politician than Bush. You cant win this argument, simply, by putting bush's name in frount of McCain's.
yngster | 03/19/08
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Though I do not personally support Sen. McCain for our new president, I will agree with swdowning on this debate. For starters, being captured does not make you a 'bad' soldier, and your implication towards that trend insults me and my fellows in the armed services. Capture is, sad to say, an unavoidable event in a war, especially with an enemy suited to Guerilla Tactics and Media exposure. Second, with the nature of both the war in the middle east and the current political climate, a request for conscription would most likely be overridden by Congress or the House before it could be enacted. And although I agree that Sen. McCain and the President are on similar ground on many aspects of the current administration, I believe that, if elected, Sen. McCain would have to quickly re-evaluate his platform in many different aspects simply to avoid a full-scale depression.
J.A.B.C. | 03/19/08
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IamFry - I am not suggesting that "history will judge a certain train wreck of a president as doing a good job." Quite the opposite. I am placing more faith in history's ability to correctly ascertain the value of a president because of the time that has elapsed, and because it can take decades for us to know the true impact of a program or piece of legislation. I didn't write that all presidents are seen by all people as being bad, I was just noting that there is always a loyal opposition; and they occupy a larger part of the landscape during the administration they oppose. I started my argument with this to set the rules of proof, and also to make Crimo's job harder, but more worthwhile should he succeed. I wanted to make it clear that one person's subjective opinion of a president's worth isn't enough - history will be the judge.
swdowning | 03/22/08
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Crappy= describes the feeling you get when you see John McCain. John McCain is running for president. A president needs to be seen. Therefore, John McCain would be a Crappy President.
Harbing3r | 03/26/08
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Excuse me Crimo, but you supported nothing with evidense. It seems you are the one "left-behind." It is also clear to me that you have never served in any armed forces. If you did you would know that no matter how good, tactical, smart, and strategic a soldier is they can still get shot down. It is the officers at home making the "tactical" "strategic" calls, not the soldier. THe soldier does what he is ordered to do. McCain's experience in the war shows that he would be more sympathetic to a soldier, because he has been there. Do not persume to know something you know nothing about! THe next arguement I have against you is your outrageous claim that McCain is just a sucessor of the Bush administration. IN no way is this true. Bush and McCain agree on very few major political topics. Bush is a strong conservative, McCain is a moderate (in case you don't know what that means, it means middle-ground between conservative and moderate). I am also "unclear" about how you think gas prices will rise, education quality will go down (which is not so much Bush's fault as it is a social parenting problem), higher healthcare cost, and higher foreclosure rates. Perhaps this is because you did not add one peice of evidense to your arguement. Your entire arguement is speculation that you are confusing as facts. Just because you believe this will happen doesn't make it a fact. SOrry, but if you want to prove your case you will need something a little more than your biased, very confused "personal opinion". I also would like to point out that there won't be a draft, those who think there will be are just bying into liberal media politics. The draft was actually brought up by a Deomcrate. They use the draft implementation as a scare tactic to get more on their side. The US military gets over 20,000 troops a year. IN no way are we hurting for troops. In a year to a year and half we have replenished all the troops that have ever been in Iraq. So take your ill advised opinions and provide facts.
shrek | 03/19/08
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