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Girls can play with toys deemed masculine and still be girls: Boys, on the other hand, must be boys -- unless no one is watching.


In a study of younger children, researchers found that if ushered alone into a room and told they could play with anything, nearly half the boys chose "feminine" toys as often as "masculine" ones, provided they believed nobody, especially their fathers, would find out. [1]

Sad. Even in childhood, its "Don't ask,don't tell".

[1] http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/10/magazine/10wwln-lede-t.html


First of All, You say "even since childhood it's dont ask don't tell" Obviously all the boys that chose to play with the Barbie doll arn't homosexuals. Perhaps they were attracted to the barbie doll in some perverted way. Maybe they liked to undress the barbie to see what it looked like. Maybe they liked to rip the heads off the barbie doll.
Second of all, I dont think that you can speculate into the mental state of a child. This makes your position on this debate ridicolous. Although this debate brings forth a chuckle, your position make no sense at all.


There is a long history linking gender role conformity to perceived homosexuality. In other words, even if you aren't gay, if you are a boy who plays with dolls, you may as well be.

Girls are allowed more latitude in their identities. A study of children ages 5 to 13 girls tend to become less stereotypical in their play as they age while boys remain emphatically masculine in theirs.

Masculine - except when they believed nobody, especially their fathers, would find out. The issue here is not whether these boys are homosexuals but that they feel a need not to be seen as acting feminine, especially in the eyes of their father.

A study of cross-sex behavior (for example, boys who play with dolls) found that women were more accepting of the behavior than were men. When showing cross-gender behavior, boys, more so than tomboys, were expected to continue to show this behavior into adulthood, be less well adjusted and more likely to be homosexual when they grow up.

For boys, its "Don't ask,don't tell" about acting like a "sissy", not about being a homosexual -- although in most peoples eyes, there is no difference.


First of all, I should point out that this argument is foolish because nobody can speculate into a child's mental state and that's exactly what we're doing in this argumet. You have no way of knowing that the child is thinking: "oh my daddy wont find out so I'm going to play with this toy."

Second of all, you stated that the children were expected to continue this behavior into adulthood. The key word in that sentence is EXPECTED. In psychology you cant assume anything. Every doctor knows that. Your argument is based on the assumption that the children will continue this behavior into adulthood. Therefore you have made a "one leged assertion" and your argument does not stand. Everything you have stated is based on an assumption.

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Romney

Hadrian... you need to clarify your position on this debate. What is it?

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Romney

Once again you've brought forth a chuckle hadrian. But I think you need to stop using newspaper articles to start debates.

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Romney

man... I accidtntially hit the forefit button. Oh well.

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Fighting

When he says, "expected," he's not talking about a psychological prognosis, he's talking about the perception of the casual observer.

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Fighting

Like, when you see a guy who 'seems to be' gay, without evidence, you'll probably think that he'll be just as gay next year.

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Romney

I still cant believe that I forefited on accident. That really makes me mad. I think that if we would have continued that debate it would have been close.

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Colbert

yngster: Your argument was simply, "nobody can speculate into a child's mental state". How did the researchers know that these boys felt free to chose "feminine" toys provided they believed nobody, especially their fathers, would find out? Maybe they set up experimental conditions to test that? Like --"Here kid, use any toy in here -- and nobody/mom/dad is watching". Do you know how science works? About as well as you know how to tell a forfeit button from...what were you trying to do anyways?

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