Illegal aliens should be deported when apprehended.
yngster said 04/09, 07:26 PM
A few years ago I was in juvenile traffic court. There was an juvenile illegal immigrant who was driving without a licence. The judge did not have the authority to deport her and basicly told this girl not to do it again. That was it, no fine and no deportation. This individual walked out of traffic court with a smile on her face. When illegal aliens are apprehended they need to be deported. However, I believe that illegals charged with serious and violent crimes should serve prision time befre being deported.
CRISP said 04/10, 07:19 PM
YNGSTER, You must realise that we are all equal before the law, and we all have the responsibility to respect it, citizen or foreigner. You sound like you want a super status as an American and everyone else must just be lesser people. The fact is, it is easy to break the law in a foreign country, because you may not know all the basic laws of the country. In this global world, you must expect to meet a foreigner who enters your country legally or illegally. So what do we do about it, we strengthen the border systems and control laws. In that way, you dont continue wiping off the water from the floor, but you fix the lickig tap. your solutions must be long-term if not permanent.
yngster said 04/11, 11:46 AM
First of all,you stated that illegals may not know the laws in the United States. I have two things to say about that.
1) I think thigs like driving without a licence and shoplifting are illegal just about everywhere.
2) The "oh I didn't know" excuse is not a valid excuse. That just doesn't fly. Break the law and get caught and you should be deported.
Second of all, the status quoe is that local jails don't have any way of knowing if the person they are holding, for one reson or another, is illegal or not. Julie Myers, head of the government agency in charge of enforcing immigration policies, recently proposed the Secure Communities program. This program, if instated, set up a national database that local jails can use to identify illegals and deport them. It's about time something like this was proposed. Jailing an illegal is the biggest waste of money. Plus, this will decrease the population of the jail. Our jails and prisions are so full, it is common for inmates to be released early.For example, Paris Hilton was sentenced to 90 days and she was released after two weeks because the jail was over crowded. If we deport illegals than maybe people can serve their whole sentence
CRISP said 04/12, 11:42 AM
You behave as if prisons are made for just foreigners coming outside America. I suggest you do the head count. Most of the people in prisons in the US are citizens, and the reason... (you guessed it) CRIME. The Xenophobic tendancies that you continue to display are shocking at this day in age. These are the kinds of arguments that give the US a bad name. Honestly, I cant wait till Senator Clinton move into the White House so that our image in the world can start changing for the better. I hope the world can find a way to forgive people like you and George Bush.
yngster said 04/12, 11:56 AM
Pat... our jails and prisions are full of illegals. Why else would Julie Myers propose the Secure Communities program. The reason is because there are so many illegals in our jail and prision system. You make these illegals I speak of our to be honest people who want to start a new life in America. That is simply not the case. In southern california our jails and prisions are full of MS-13 members who are illegal El Salvadorians. These men are thugs and killers who are and we need a program, like the secure communities program that will give local jails and prisions the tools necessary to deal with this problem.
The other thing I would like to address is that I have never supported the war in Iraq and I do not approve of George W. Bush. In fact, I don't even consider him to be a true conservative. He's a neo-conservative. A neo-conservative is a much different animal.
CRISP said 04/14, 04:06 PM
Wow, now you take a sharp turn, you dont support Bush. every line of your arguments suggests otherwise. Anyway, my issue here is not about whether or not the prisons are full. I'm arguing that we are all equal before the law. We have made significant progress in fighting Xenophobia in the world and arguments like yours simply reverse all these gains. Your tone suggests that only the illegals commit crimes and break the mighty laws of the US. Its a fact that the prisons are full of Americans who ****, kill, arm rob, traffic drugs etc. so get off the high horse and face reality.
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yeah that was what I was thinking at the time too. She probably knew that the judge couldn't deport her.
yngster | 04/11/08
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Yngster, please get the facts right on this case you are advancing your argument about. thanks
CRISP | 04/12/08
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If you think I got the fact that there are alot of illegals in American jails wrong, I didn't. Newsmaxx reported on the proposition of the Secure Communities Program and it reported on how there are alot of illegals in American Jails.
yngster | 04/12/08
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While it is an archaic priciple: Ignorantia Juris non excusat. The fact that an illegal has no knowlegde of the law, but has the capability to understand it, cannot use ignorance for breaking the law. Regardless of what the punishment is for an illegal, there should always be a punishment.
Byah | 04/12/08
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wait, what, yngster, did you get disciplined, because pat seems to think that the story of "walking out with a smile on her face is about you." if i understand correctly you're sick of having americans disciplined by the law and ILLEGAL ALIENS are getting off scott free, they're not even disciplined for being ILLEGAL (like deported). not knowing the law, wow, i'd say it'd have to be someone really stupid to not know that entering a foriegn country illegally is against the law.
MorgMcA | 04/12/08
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We can all be equal in the eyes of the law, but if you're an illegal, we deport you, just as Mexico, France, or anywhere would do to US citizens.
Pablo the Great | 04/14/08
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The cost and ineffectivity of deportation is what I am concerned about. Deportation is not a long-term solution by any means, the problem is rooted in economics and without a long-term economic solution there will be no point to deportation. Options like deportations only work if they are treated as what they really are, small scale, short-term solutions.
jjrep | 04/15/08
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Ideally, we are all equal before the law. unfortunately, it never turns out that way. I am suprised she showed up at all if she was living there illegally.
Skipper04 | 04/11/08
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