Hillary Clinton should quit.
Swavee said 04/12, 04:03 AM
Hillary Clinton will not win the Presidental Nomination from her party. Honestly I knew very little (and cared very little) about who was going to be president in 08. I had a feeling or maybe the entire country had a hunch that Hillary Clinton was going to run for president in 08. She was the front runner and the only person that I though could give her a run was Al Gore if he was to run again. Hillary has lost most of her steam from her campain and has been over taken by Obama.
The only way that she has a chance of winning the nomination is to play "dirty" and I don't think that America will respond very well to that unless she can get under Obama's skin. I don't see that happening. Hillary's "theme" was "ready on day one" and Obama has the "Hope" thing. Well Hillary's doesn't look very ready with all of the things that are going wrong with her campain. She has the persona to me that she would say or do whatever she has to to be the president of the United States. I do not think that that is very good for our Country. She wants the Power but I don't think that she is the right one to handle it. Disagree? Let's here it.
CRISP said 04/12, 11:13 AM
Presidential contests are about charisma, personality,& speeches.I agree that Barack has most of these. But there's more you need to be a President than those soft issues. You need decisiveness, firm leadership, detailed and clear plans. When she emphasised the notion of being "ready on day one" she actually was amplifying the reality that Barack would need the whole year to get familiarised with the office. She has proven herself in New York as the Senator before-during & after 9/11.She Proved in the Dems debates that she is better knowledgeable when it comes to policy making and understanding how to implement them.
Take her atitualtion of the economic & foreign policies and her unchallengeable health plan. Recently she has addressed one issue that seems to have fallen by the way side for all other candidates... CRIME. She has just issued a detailed plan on how to reduce Crime, deal with ex-Cons and fund states for about $1Billion PA to improve all efforts to fight crime.
If I were to vote on Charisma and inspirational speeches I would go for Barack, but if I were to cast my vote based on issues that affect me daily I say...HILLARY. So, stop bullying her out of the race
Swavee said 04/13, 06:43 AM
"When she emphasised the notion of being "ready on day one" she actually was amplifying the reality that Barack would need the whole year to get familiarised with the office." By this statement, are you saying that she should be voted president because she LIVED in the White House for 8 years and Obama did not? Neither Hillary Clinton nor Barack Obama has been the President of the United States previously. It would take both canidates time to get adjusted to the living conditions and responsibilities of the new position. Both have 0 (ZERO) experience as President.
I think that there is a thin line between decisiveness,firm (some words that you used) and simpy bossy and the "B" word. I really think that she has crossed the line when she was faced with competition that she wasn't expecting. Some of her comments just don't come through to me. I heard her say that she should get support(votes) because it takes her "longer" to get ready than the other canidates. Really? That's not what I want from my Prez.
I think that we need someone who is young and understanding to deal with the drastic change in the U.S. not someone with just a personal goal Hillary or vendetta Bush.
CRISP said 04/13, 06:24 PM
The bottom line is that Obama is vulnerable and will be easily bullied out of the November general election by Republicans if he gets the Nomination. It is true that Clinton chose (strategically) not to exploit his weaknesses as this would not have helped Dems, but against McCain, he will loose crying. Note that Republicans have won the White House 18 times against 16 of Democrats. This excludes those 6 presidents who were Republican/Democrats as they leaned more towards Republican ideology anyway. This means that we will be adding to that, not that I'm obsessed with numbers. Obama is just WEAK, PERIOD!!! we need someone with the gutts like Hillary's. Barrack must be judged purely by the things he has said or done during this race, and the "bitter" comment about the small states and the Rev Write hate speech should not be left unscrutinised. I support the Mayors of the small states who have collectively voiced their displeasure and shock at Obama's elitist tendencies. Lets get all other small states that have voted for him change their mind towards the rightful nominee. PA must just end this and vote Hillary in.
Swavee said 04/14, 12:51 AM
From realclearpolitics.com: RCP Average National Poll, McCain 45.2% to Obama's 44.8%. McCain +0.4% over Obama. McCain 46.4% to Clinton's 44.8%. McCain + 1.6% (That's 4 times the margin of Obama's) This poll was taken between 03/28 and 04/12. I think that it is easier to overcome .4 than 1.6 of the nationally votes. What do you think?
Obama is just WEAK, huh? For someone who has raised significantly more money and has run a better overall campain than Hillary is really WEAK, right? What I think is WEAK is a democrat who will jump sides with a republican over a "bitter" comment. That's weak and pathetic.
What does Obama have over Hillary beside the lead in nearly every poll (excpt PA and a couple other states), he seems to be less deep into "politics" than her. I have heard that Hillary takes money from Lobbyist and I haven't heard her deny it. Which one is worse, having your pastor say some controversial thing during a cermon. (someone not on your payroll) or To have you Chief Stragedist go somewhere and do somethings that you have been talking against for your entire campain (on your payroll.... and still on)
Hillary has run a good campain but it's over.
CRISP said 04/14, 04:13 PM
If Obama is the advocate for HOPE, call me HOPELESS. He does not inspire me. He lies and pretends to care about us small people from small towns. I will not vote for OBAMA, if he gets the nomination then McCain gets my vote.
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Eric | 04/13/08
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I don't think Clinton should quit at all, but for precisely none of the reasons put forward by Pat - so for now my vote is withheld to see what Pat comes up with.
Tickers | 04/13/08
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As we debate on this forum, Obama decides to insult the people from the small states, telling wine sipping elite funders of his campaign that people from small states cling to their religion and guns because of their economic bittereness. This has caused an uproar across the country and every network is running with this. Check out: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9561.html I am more worried about what BAD this does for the Dems more than what good it does for Hillary. I think this guy (Barrack) is still teething and very wet behind the ears. Take a moment and think about the harm this guy will do the Democrats in November and the country.
CRISP | 04/13/08
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Ok Tickers, let me be frank with you, I NEED YOUR VOTE. talk about desperation. Honestly, I think your opinions and the way you vote is more similar to mine but hey, I suppose we are allowed to swing with the arguments.
CRISP | 04/13/08
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I don't think you and I would see eye to eye on why Hillary should remain in the race. I don't think she can win the nomination - after the last delegates are counted Obama is going to have more pledged delegates, and that is what the contest was about getting. However even though I don't think Clinton can win a large number of people think she can, mostly aided by a media that portrays the contest as a close thing because it is a more interesting story. While these people really believe that she can win (and while she herself also seems to think that) it would be disastrous for the democratic party to force her out, since if these voters feel that they were cheated out of at least finishing the contest for the nomination then they will be more likely to stay at home or vote for McCain. Hillary has to either pull out her miracle, or lose outright.
Tickers | 04/13/08
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I really believe that Hillary Clinton cares more about herself than the betterment of her political party. She will do ANYTHING to be President and that is scary for a person who wants power for the wrong reasons a la Bush. I think that Obama is a very intelligent individual and I think that it is time for America to get back to having intelligence at the highest levels.
Swavee | 04/14/08
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Hillary should not quit. I am enjoying way too much seeing the destruction of the democratic bid for the white house. In addition, there is nothing more sexy than a woman taking shots of Canadian whisky. May be, next week she will smoke Mexican crack to complete her support for NAFTA. I never thought I would ever say this...I love you ClintonSSS.
Donkey DooZoo | 04/14/08
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There are now negative side effects no matter who drops out of the two Democrats, Obama has a tremendous amount of popularity and enthusiasm, ad well as the popular vote with him; but Hillary, on the other hand, still has a lead over him in many vital states, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, and Michigan. If the Democrats lose more than one of these states it will be extremely difficult for them to win the election. If she quits then it is likely that Ohio and Florida at least will go to McCain, just like what they did in 2000 and 2004. Another reason why Hillary should not drop out is because one of the Democrats has to show that they are willing to fight for the Florida and Michigan delegates. If Obama is the nominee those will be two places that McCain has a very good shot at, which is especially devastating because Michigan has gone for the Democrats since Bill Clinton.
jjrep | 04/15/08
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Obama should be glad that Hillary stays in the race because it gives him some election experience. The 'Clinton Machine' is putting Obama through the political gauntlet, and this will better prepare him to go against the Republican onslaught in the General Election.
Byah | 04/12/08
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