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lovejones said 04/14, 05:51 PM
How come is it that the media covers anything negative that happens in the Obama campaign for weeks and weeks, but when something negative happens in the Clinton campaign it is downplayed? For instance if you go on cnn.com right now and do a search for Bosnia you will find about 3-5 areticles, but if you do a dearch for bitter, you will get about 10. How come when Obama says or does something everyone has something to say? Is it because we expect better out of him instead of Clinton, or because we expect negative things out of Clinton? Do your research you will notice it as well. I think lying about Bosnia is bigger new than Obama saying people are bitter, but this is news right?

DonkeyDude said 04/14, 06:09 PM
Preliminarily, let me state that I am an Obama supporter through and through. I agree that he has been dealt some undeserved blows in the media. But I suspect you might need to diversify your news sources. It is common knowledge that various news outlets and journalists skew events in favor of or against various political candidates and viewpoints.

That said, Hillary's Bosnia gaffe did receive a good deal of coverage and has been lampooned in numerous articles and cartoons. However, at the end of the day, it says that she is a B.S. artist. No surprise there. Barack's gaffe, on the other hand, is potentially damning and thus more newsworthy because it could potentially betray the same type of elitist mentality that has cost the Dems several recent elections.

While I do not think Obama is at all "out of touch" with middle-class America, you have to realize the import of his entire comment (not just his use of the word "bitter"). In one sentence, he seemingly contradicted his public stances on religion and free trade. The comment presupposes that these small-town people's beliefs and traditions are irrational and somewhat meritless. I sense another speech coming..

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I understand both sides however I agree with lovejones more because I think that negative Obama news stays around longer than negative Clinton news, I mean they already stopped talking about Mark Penn and the whole Columbia Trade.

alwaysright | 04/14/08

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I do not think it does presuppose that small-town people's beliefs and traditions are irrational and somewhat meritless. I think that is an assumption/ leap that you made on your own. Now who is doing the skewing?

smalltownPA | 04/15/08

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smalltownPA, I'm not skewing anything. It's a matter of linguistics. When you say "Those people are bitter (or frustrated, etc), and so they cling to guns or religion.." it is stating that there is a causal relationship between their frustration and their "clinging" to guns and religions, etc. This can give a reasonable listener the impression that if their frustration is the cause of their "clinging" to these things, then if they weren't frustrated about the economy, they WOULDN'T "cling" to these things. Ergo, their devotion to these things is founded in frustration, not because these things have merits of their own. This is clearly offensive to someone who is religious or enjoys the gun/hunting tradition. Now, I happen to agree with Obama, but that doesn't mean it wasn't offensive.

DonkeyDude | 04/15/08

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FINALLY! A liberal who can give an honest, self-critical assessment. Religious tradition and guns aren't going anywhere. Dems need to stop alienating voters who value these things.

One for the Road | 04/16/08

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I don't know if people are voting for my argument or against Obama.. but thanks.

DonkeyDude | 04/17/08

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