dolebanana said 04/14, 08:19 PM
Euthanasia is a touchy subject to be sure, but after careful research and studies, I have concluded that voluntary euthanasia is justifiable. I have a number of reasons to believe so:
1) Economics.
Economically, voluntary euthanasia is beneficial. While it may seem heartless, in actuality, it must be mentioned. If a member of society may no longer contribute to that society but is rather a drain (via taxes, etc.), and said patient recognizes this, voluntary euthanasia is not only justifiable, but also noble of that person.
2) To end pain.
It is unfortunate that there is so much suffering that comes with disease, but that's the way it is. For some diseases, there cannot be an easing of the pain. If one is in such intolerable pain that death is preferable, then it seems only right that they may make that choice for themselves, and may rightfully request a doctor's assistance in their passing.
3) The alternative is worse.
By denying patients the right to do with their life what they please, they may take their life by more painful, horrible methods, because they simply cannot gain consent of their doctor.
Thanks for reading. I look forward to a good debate.
Ariyel said 04/15, 07:36 PM
I cannot support voluntary euthanasia.
Economics - If we cannot find it in ourselves to aid a terminally ill individual, we have no right to determine life and death. We already shelter, feed and care for even the most heinous of criminals; if we can care for these individuals, we can economically assist a good citizen who has fallen into illness.
Ending Pain - Medical science improves every day and we can control or eliminate almost all forms of pain. Hospice care provides a dignified way to life ones life. Those who are in "intolerable pain" are hardly in a mental state to rationally decide to end their life. We create a Last Will and Testament before we fall into these circumstances because we recognize that the anger, depression, fear, etc. of dying rarely allows for rational thought. Suicide is often the result of irrational thought; the victim cannot see past their problems. Do we sanction suicide for individuals who are in mental anguish or illness?
Alternative - The thought of what people "might" do to themselves is simply too great a leap to use for justification. People do a lot of irrational things.
There's also the "what if we find a cure tomorrow?" problem.
dolebanana said 04/15, 09:24 PM
1) On economics:
It is important to remember that I do not advocate the death of citizens who wishe to live, nor do I advocate cutting off funding for them. I am simply supporting the right of that person to do with their life what they please, even if that means forfeiting it. That said, despite any moral dilemmas which one may or may not have, voluntary euthanasia is still economically beneficial.
2) On ending pain:
Medical science improves every day, but there are some diseases for which there is no medicinal pain killer. We cannot out rule voluntary euthanasia for those who are in intolerable pain. Denying ill-stricken patients of the option not only diminishes the terrible pain they are suffering, but also treats them as intellectually inferior, that they are incapable of making decisions for themselves.
3) On the gruesome alternatives:
If we can assume that these victims cannot make rational decisions for themselves as my opponent suggests, we must also assume that they are too rationally lost to out rule suicide.
Finding a cure tomorrow will not stop the insufferable pain these victims feel today.
Bottom line: It really is a personal choice.
Ariyel said 04/16, 09:01 AM
Considering economics in regard to euthanasia is dangerous. Patients are too exposed to coercion from hospital staff and family, especially in cases where the patient lacks insurance. One must also consider the economic impact of legal action against the hospitals from families who do not agree with the action.
Mental competence is a key factor in this debate. Those under extreme stress can act irrationally as traditional suicide and current laws regarding these decisions demonstrate. It is not a matter of intellecutal inferiority; but a matter of compromised reasoning capacity - especially when coerced.
One must consider the inevitable legal consequences of such an action. How do the courts deal with legal challenges by family in regard to the patient's competence or coercion? How do life insurance comapanies handle voluntary euthansia; do patients maintian their life insurance when they elect to die? Does mental pain/illness qualify? Can I walk into a hospital because I lost my job, my wife left and elect physician-assisted suicide? Can a person with Down Syndrome elect euthansia?
The right to choose is always limited; we recognize that people are not always rational.
dolebanana said 04/16, 08:24 PM
1) On economics:
Like it or not, coercion occurs throughout our daily lives as it stands now. Voluntary euthanasia is no different than the solicitor on the phone trying to get you to buy whatever product he or she may be selling; it is just to a higher degree. The choice is still in the hands of the people whom it affects. In terms of lawsuits, not all hospitals would have to administer the euthanasia. It would be the hospital's choice, just like any other procedure.
2) On ending pain:
If one is incapable of making the decision to end his or her life by way of euthanasia, one certainly does have the mental capacity to avoid suicide. The short-term pain felt before suicide is hardly a deterrent for those wishing to end their lives. We must choose the lesser of two evils and allow for them to pass on peacefully.
3) On the alternatives:
Bear in mind that the topic at hand is for patients who are terminally ill. It is the choice of the victim along with the discretion of the doctor and the hospital, and if they choose to face the consequences, so be it. In terms of insurance, it is up to the companies.
In conclusion: Support personal choice. Allow for voluntary euthanasia.
Ariyel said 04/18, 09:04 AM
My opponent's basic argument is that a terminally ill patient's request for euthanasia should be granted regardless of their mental competence and compares coercion to commit suicide to a telemarketer's sales pitch. I cannot accept this lack of consideration for such a high-stake decision. Consider the following:
1) 94% of those who request suicide suffer from a mental disorder and 90% of the terminally ill suffer from depression. Suicidal thought is recognized as a call to see who cares and 92% of those offered euthanasia take it as a statement that their life is worthless. Many who consider euthanasia are pressured into believing they are a burden on society and their families.
2) According to the Washington Medical Association 90-99% of all pain is controllable and the Supreme Court has authorized the use of controlled substances to aid in that control.
3) The dying process is important, providing the opportunity to complete "unfinished business" in life.
4) 18% of those accepting euthanasia suffer complications that prolong and increse their suffering.
We should bring peace to the terminally ill by assisting them in their final days; not by hastening their end.
Pablo, I'm prety sure that's a little off-topic... and what did you mean by "Forge the documents that allow them to"? who is forging what documents? Are you referring to forging last-will-and-testament documents? And what do the said documents "allow them to" do?
RTBA2A | 04/16/08
Report Offensive CommentForging documents = murder (already illegal). What this thread is about is 'assisted suicide'. I'm for it.
IamFry | 04/18/08
Report Offensive CommentYes, forging documentation is illegal, but it is one of the dangers of legalizing assisted suicide. A child wanting his/her inheritance forges euthanasia paperwork on their terminally ill parent. I'm not as concerned with forged paperwork as incorrect paperwork. Misdiagnoses is not exactly uncommon; I hate to think of euthanizing a paitent who believed they were terminally ill only to discover the illness was misdiagnosed.
Ariyel | 04/18/08
Report Offensive CommentPlease keep it clean. Bad words will get filtered, and offensive comments will be removed.
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Ugh, I saw this one earlier today but didn't log in to take it. Oh well. My two cents though: once those in a person's will can convince (or forge the documents that allow them to) someone to die, we are in for HUGE problems.
Pablo the Great | 04/15/08
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