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Hillary has no chance for the nomination

theyoungdem said 04/16, 05:07 PM
She is behing in super delegates, she is behind in pledged delegates, she is behind in popular vote, she is behing in state wins, so what has she got? Her main state pennsylvania no longer has her double margin lead, and Obama continues to improve in that state. So she has no chance, and should drop out.

alexon96 said 04/16, 05:49 PM
First of all, she is not behind in super delegates. She has about 30 more super delegates than Obama. If Michigan and Florida would count, Obama would be 350,000 votes ahead of Clinton. 10 more states will vote and the popular vote could change anytime. She still has the Electoral College rules. Clinton won more points than Obama by the Electoral College rules. That is the only thing that counts in the General Election.
Obama does not continue to improve. He insulted most of the rural voters in Pennsylvania and that will give Clinton more Votes. Super delegates should decide and who they think the best president will be and not on who the people vote for. That was why super delegates were created. Hillary Clinton will get more super delegates because she is ready to lead on Day 1 and she has more experience.

theyoungdem said 04/16, 06:03 PM
That was a typo, I meant to say combined delegates. Also Obama was not in the Michigan ballot, and he didn't campaign in Florida, so you can't argue counting that, since Hillary had major unfair advantages if they did count. Obama actually is improving still, look at the polls before you say he isn't. She used to be in huge leads in all polls, not its just small single digit leads. Some are even tied. Hillary Clinton will not get enough super delegates in the end that she will have more overall delegates, Obama has recently been getting more super delegates than Hillary, Hillary used to be ahead in super delegates by 100, now its a mere 30. Improvement once again. Hillary should step down. She is not ready to lead on day 1 since she goes back on her own views such as on the War, and on Nafta.

alexon96 said 04/18, 04:57 PM
BOTH candidates did not campaign in Florida. There was an undecided ballot in Michigan. 55% voted for Clinton and 40% voted for undecided. Obama would get all of the undecided vote which gives him some more advantage. I do not disagree with you that Obama is improving. Clinton was ahead in the national poll by more than 40%, now Obama is ahead by 11%. Obama was getting more super delegates now, but there is still more than 300 super delegates to vote and they might really think about who they are going to support, by looking at what both candidates have in mind and what they accomplished.
Hillary is ready to lead on day 1. She voted for the war, but she voted for it differently than how it is right now. Obama wasn't even a Senator then and he didn't have any role in the vote for the war. He always says that Clinton voted for it, but Obama didn't even vote and he didn't have an important role.
Hillary has achieved a lot of things. Obama didn't even accomplish anything. When one of his supporters from the Congress was asked what he had accomplished as a politician. The supporter couldn't answer the question. Instead he said, what Obama was planning to do to the United States.

theyoungdem said 04/19, 02:54 PM
Actually Hillary did campaign in Florida, even though it wasn't for a long time, she still did. And have you ever thought, that alot of Obama supporters wouldn't go vote if he wasn't on the ballot? You say Clinton is better because she had a vote and Obama couldn't vote. Well if he could, he would have obviously voted against it due to his anti Iraq War speeches. Hillary needs to admit she made a mistake as she did with all her scandals and with all her lies. If anyone watched or read a biography of Obama they would then realize he has done alot more than most people think.

alexon96 said 04/19, 03:22 PM
Hillary did admit that she voted for the war, but she didn??t mean to, because she voted for the war to happen in a different way. For those two states, record numbers of people came out to vote. That is still a lot and that is all we can use. Obama doesn??t want those two states to count because he might lose the nomination then. If those 2 states dont vote, McCain will get those 2 states and those are a lot of delegates in the General election. Hillary still has a small chance to get the nomination.

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This debate is just stale. it stinks.

CRISP | 04/17/08

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Alot can happen in a short period of time, who knows. we won't know how november turns out until november either. so there's A chance, a the moment not a big one but a chance.

MorgMcA | 04/19/08

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