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theyoungdem vs USA Pit Bull 63

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McCain cannot defeat the dems

theyoungdem said 04/18, 11:53 PM
Contrary to what some people say that McCain is leading. He is not leading, infact he is losing in more polls against Obama.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html

McCain is a supporter of many of Bush's failed policies, and he believes he can beat the democrats? I doubt that, with Hillary it will be tough for him, with Obama he has no chance.

McCain simply cannot say he will make a good president, and support the war and Bush tax cuts at the same time.

USA Pit Bull 63 said 04/19, 08:53 AM
Hello, youngdem. I will now point out why you're wrong.

First of all, I just visited the web site YOU posted as verification for your argument. The date/time is currently 4/19/08, 8:30 A.M. EST. (I saved a picture of the screen, in case you'd like to see it as evidence sometime.)

The ''real clear politics'' web site states that, as of this minute, projected voter percentages of a hypothetical Obama-McCain general election are McCain holding 45 percent of the vote and Obama holding 45.7 percent, with the ''undecided'' percentage at 5.4 percent.

That is essentially a tie, especially with +/- margin or error, and the percentage of undecideds greatly outnumbering Obama's current marginal lead. Hardly a ''cannot win'' for McCain.

Also on the web site YOU endorsed to strengthen your argument, it shows McCain with a 46 to 44.7 percent LEAD over Hillary Clinton. So again, hardly a situation that looks ''can't win'' based on your own allegedly substantial polling data.

As for the issues you raised, people and economies like tax cuts. People/voters also like those who don't change their stances on issues like war simply based on what is deemed popular when the going gets tough.

theyoungdem said 04/19, 01:05 PM
I won't lie, Hillary is not as good as Obama, you can obviously tell this by my picture. But once this primary is over, either of the candidates will infact get a huge extra surge of votes, since the dems are not united yet.
People like tax cuts, but not when its for the rich, instead of the poor. I never was for the war, even when it was popular. It was popular because the tactics of using 9/11 as a scaring method. We went to Afghanistan that was GOOD, going to Iraq that was BAD. Republicans should be ashamed of trying to compete this year.

USA Pit Bull 63 said 04/19, 04:17 PM
You do a fine job glossing over the standard Democratic Party talking points. I'm somewhat surprised you didn't throw ''wealthiest one-percent'' at me, but then again, you still have a rebuttal remaining.

You seem to bank on democrats uniting behind their official candidate this fall. But there are valid reasons why so many democrats want this nomination sealed before the end of summer, one being that there won't even be 2.5 months between the end of the Dem Convention (8/28) and election day (11/4). Two months isn't too long a time to get over the sting of a defeat from a grueling fight that endured at least eight months.

Also, there is a reason why McCain faced, and continues to face, some reticence from the conservative community: he loves being considered a maverick, and he has great (party-) crossover appeal. He has historically been able to gain votes from republicans, democrats, and independents alike.

(Plus, come general election, the GOP traditionally unites pretty well.)

Lastly, you speak in either/or language on tax cuts. Americans don't like tax cuts for the poor, either---they like tax cuts. If you make more money, you get a bigger refund. It's simple.

theyoungdem said 04/20, 05:36 PM
Most people right now think democrats won't unite. I myself for a while didn't want to vote for Hillary if Obama didn't win the nomination. However, people will soon realize, that despite the differences between Hillary and Obama, they are no where near the magnitude of differences between a democratic candidate and McCain. I don't know if you have noticed, but Republicans aren't as popular anymore due to the war and the state of the economy. That's why senate seats and house seats are more democratic. McCain will have no chance.

USA Pit Bull 63 said 04/20, 07:25 PM
''I don't know if you have noticed, but Republicans aren't as popular anymore due to the war and the state of the economy. That's why senate seats and house seats are more democratic.''

You just made my point for me. Democrats have been in power congressionally for two years now, and the public knows it. Economic decisions both stalled and made by Democrats over the past two years have contributed to the pain you feel economically now.

Aside from the presidential hysteria, there is another reason why the congressional races are receiving basically NO media attention. Democrats are concerned that they may lose control, at least in one of the two chambers.

The GOP and McCain have been pretty tame while letting Hillary and Barack battle each other; it will wear on the American public, especially while McCain travels abroad visiting world leaders and stumping.

(And 527s have yet to show full force.)

Lastly, the Democratic Party and its ticket in 2004 squandered millions of dollars that could have been used for better campaigning; instead, it wasted away and was left unused.

Lesson Learned: Never underestimate the capacity for the Democratic Party to shoot itself in the foot.