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LET THE MEDIA FOCUS ON ISSUES FOR A CHANGE. HILLARY, BARACK AND JOHN HAVE MORE TO SAY ON POLICY THAN TALKING ABOUT EACH OTHER.


This FACE OFF was inpired by a brief exchange I had with Donkeydude on another Debate and I thought Its strong enough to be FACE OFF.

I have had the opportunity to listen to all three candidates over the past three months. I agree that this is a Presidential race, and character and profile scrutiny is crucial. But all three have atitulated better arugments on why they are the best candidates, only by focussing on issues. The issue is that these policy issues are not sexy enough for cable news networks and the media at large. So they end up publishing or broadcasting the parts where candidates talk about the other candidate. I think Hillary has spoken far less about Barack and John than she has spoken about her plan for economic recovery, health plan, Iraqi withdrawal strategy and the foreign policy, CRIME, and many other issues. I have observed the same about Barack and John. So why does the media have this obsession.

We become very hostile at each other, very enraged about these personal attacks and yet candidates spend more time on pstve issues.

Worst of all, there are Superdelegates that have made their choice based on how dirty the other has been on the other.


If the American people did not want "the media" and the candidates to focus on character issues, the media wouldn't talk about them because nobody would watch, and the candidates wouldn't bash one another because it would turn voters off.

The simple fact is that Americans (and most people) love controversy (assuming it doesn't hurt them). If the people want to watch Hilary bash Obama, or Clinton bash Bush, the media will show that.

Likewise, if the voters respond favorably to Clinton when she bashes Obama, who's to stop her?


The only way to stop this is to turn it off, and reject the arguments that are solely attacking the other candidates.

The media can focus on whatever it wants, and we can't stop that.


More than this is a debate, its a cal to the media to take the challenge. I bet if they covered the issues with as much passion Americans would make educated and well informed choices.

I think there is less engagement on the issues that seperate these candidates and more on what they say about each other.

Media freedom is a right I would never temper with because It also is as a result of Democracy. I just think that it carries the responsibility to educate and inform our society equally to the responsibility to entertain and increase ratings.

So if controversy and scandal sells, ok, granted. But I think that should not overshaddow their role to help Americans choose the correct leader (based on thier capacity to address the people's challenges)


So if this debate is nothing more than a "call", then why post it in a debate website?

If you're trying to say that we need to focus more on "real issues" as Obama said after the debate, sadly, these character flaws/lies/idiotic statements ARE real issues.


Do you want a president who insults every person who has ever served in combat by lying about being under sniper fire, then laughing about it on tv?

Many of our bravest have died due to sniper fire, and Hilary is not only an idiot, but a blatant liar for claiming she was under fire, when clearly, she was not.


Or would you rather have a president who follows a man who proclaims "God damn America", and says small town American's are just "bitter" and therefore cling to guns and religion?

I don't find the bitter comment particularly offensive, though I also don't live in a small town. "God Damn America" on the other hand, if I weren't already against Obama, I would have jumped ships.


Both these issues show judgment, honesty, and whether or not these candidates truly respect the American people.

If those reasons don't make them "real issues", then maybe I don't know what a "real issue" is.


As you will understand the issue at hand, it requires that you look at what the media is saying about the candidates and not what the candidates are saying about each other or themselves. I agree with you, those statements were made by both candidates, so what? is that the only thing I need to be fed to make up my mind about who to vote for? the answer is NO.

I am saying, let us hear for a change what they have to offer. It is shocking that even the last debate between Hillary and Barack, the focus was these personality issues, (as I have said earlier, they are legitimate but not the only thing we need to hear)and not the policy proposals and solutions to the problems we have. As far as I'm concerned, Obama has adopted the same tactics as Hillary on the attacks.

If a TV or radio channel would unpack the issues and the proposals of the candidates on various subjects I would feel that the media is playing some significant part in this election.

The last time I heard about Hillary's plan on crime was on her website, McCain on economy has been covered poorly and the only profiling Obama's health plan was on his attacking advert in PA this week. Media can do better.


P&L: Incase you forgot, we have another debate with me which I would like to finish. http://www.elephant-donkey.com/elephantdonkey/show/7281

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P&L, finish your debate with me.

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Putin

Put the "please finish other debate" in the wrong box, so I'll put my argument here: The simple fact is - and if you would listen to the democrats when they are talking about their "plans", you would know this - they don't have any. All they do is try to woo voters with promises of federal money heading their way. Until they have something worth talking about, all they say is garbage, and garbage doesn't move people the way personal attacks and flaws do.

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P&L doesn't finish debates if he is losing by too many votes. Don't bother. P&L, if that's not true, then please finish your debate(s) with me, too.

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