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Sick 'em, Diva.

USA Pit Bull 63 | 04/24/08

Woah, big claims in the "positive stuff", none of which is usually true in a federalized system.

MorgMcA | 04/25/08

I'll note for the record that gopdiva has a vote before he even wrote a word. BTW, PB, look at my debate w/ P&L: 7141. I've been watching his/her numbers soar this evening...

DonkeyDude | 04/25/08

It's going to reach the point where if we DON'T get victimized by voter fraud against the usual suspects, we'll consider that more of a defeat than actually losing by a vote count. At least others are coming around and seeing the evidence for themselves.

USA Pit Bull 63 | 04/25/08

yeah, i dont see how you can make your decision yet... gopdiva has not even responded!!!

populist | 04/25/08

p.s. I haven't voted on this debate yet.

USA Pit Bull 63 | 04/25/08

neither have i, yet, but soon.

MorgMcA | 04/25/08

Diva, come on....

USA Pit Bull 63 | 04/27/08

On merits I agree with populist. But his argument is very unconvincing.

Tyler Cole | 04/28/08

i would love to have a more detailed argument if SOMEONE RESPONDED!

populist | 04/30/08

Yea that helps sometimes =D

Tyler Cole | 04/30/08

England has Universal health care... and its not working for there small country why would it work for ours? People have to wait months to get Organ Transplants... the waiting list is so long i can't even imagine what it would be like over here. In fact I have heard alot of stories of people paying to fly to the united states to get organ transplants because of universal healthcare making the waiting list so long. Point being if there was universal healthcare the quality of our healthcare would most likely go down and most would end up being worse of instead of better.

mel | 05/02/08

1) Economics are simple. The country only has so much capacity for medical care. Our system of dealing with who gets treated is whether or not you can afford to pay for it (or have a third party willing to take the risk). In most cases where there is a large government running the healthcare system, they have to determine how to allocate the resources in whatever 'equitable' way they see fit. Most cases, it goes off of a 'needs' analysis, which means that people end up dying on waiting lists because their procedure was not a high priority for three years until it is life threatening. 2) Populist claims that half of every dollar is spent on administrative costs, but he never once claims how putting the government in charge (or a much larger role) will alleviate that problem. The U.S. government spews out the most useless paperwork per capita than the rest of the world. Tell me how the efficiency masters in the government can bring down those costs (rather than re-distributing the costs over more people) and maybe I'll vote for you.

dorshe1 | 05/05/08

<3 Thanks for all of the support! <3 It means a lot! Hopefully with your help I can defeat Populist again!!!

gopdiva | 05/07/08

Populist, I think that the U.S. should have a watered down form of universal healthcare (only for those who cant afford it) but i am mostly voitng for you because gopdiva is an abnoxious brat who needs to be put in her place (i am surprised she hasn't attacked the loopholes in your statements.

Chestypuller94 | 05/09/08

Supporters, please vote for me in my debate with chestypuller!!!! HE IS ACCUSING ME OF CHEATING WHICH I HAVEN'T DONE! I DON'T CHEAT!!!!! PLEASE HELP ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

gopdiva | 05/10/08

What is funny is that those who don't need healthcare to get treatment, upper-middle class (professionals...) and upper class, will be the ones paying for it. Life, liberty and the persuit of happiness are the basic rights. NOT life, liberty and universal healthcare.

KittyCatRep | 05/12/08

Yeah populist come online!! Post an arguement

gopdiva | 05/19/08

Populist------ COME ONLINE!!! PLEASE RESPOND TO MY ARGUEMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

gopdiva | 05/20/08