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Everyone who thinks Clinton should drop out are thinking wrong!

alexon96 said 05/09, 06:06 PM
Everyone that says Hillary Clinton should drop out is not letting the voters decided in the remaining contests. Why can't Clinton stay in the race? Huckabee stayed in the race until there was a nominee even though he was far behind. No one told him anything. Clinton is not that far behind and she still has a chance. Its not like in every democratic convention only 1 candidate was left.

theyoungdem said 05/10, 10:12 AM
It???s true that if Hillary Clinton drops out now then the remaining voters would not be able to vote. However, it was shown that even if Hillary won 65% of all her remaining contests (which is highly unlikely since she couldn???t even do that in her highly favored states) then she???d still be behind Obama, and this includes 65% of superdelegates.

Huckabee was in the race far back in a time when it was safe to have two nominees without the threat of a divided party, especially since McCain was much more popular. Also you say no one told him anything? A lot of people told him to just drop out since there was no point.

You say she still has a chance???If you say there is a way she can win more than 65% in all her remaining contests and superdelegates, you are highly mistaken. Let???s see the states she was most favored in shall we?

Pennsylvania she won by 55%
New York she won by 57%
California she won by 52%
Ohio she won by 65%

You still think she has a chance when she couldn't even get 65% in her favored states?
Also you are incorrect when you say everyone who thinks Clinton should drop out is wrong. They have alot of reasons (see below in comments)

alexon96 said 05/10, 10:52 AM
We all know that she has a very low chance of getting the nomination. But she should still be allowed to go to the convention without anyone telling her to drop out. You never commented on what i said before. I said that its not like there hasn't been a convention with 2 democrats there. If you say that Obama is more likely to be the nominee, then why can't Clinton stay. If she's going to lose, its not going to make a difference with who the nominee is if Obama is closer to getting it. If Obama wants to get Clinton's supporters in the general election, then he has to get Clinton's supporters. What I mean is that, if Clinton drops out her supporters (most of them) would not support Obama. Obama has to beat Clinton and that will get him their support. He will not get Clinton's supporters if she just drops out and gives the nomination to Clinton. (This has nothing to do with the debate: those last sentences were confusing)

theyoungdem said 05/10, 03:18 PM
It's not a low chance...its a no chance. She could go to the convention, but she has to think of her party. What's the point of still going at it, while further dividing her own party? And you are right there has never "been a convention with 2 democrats there", there are hundreds.

Though I think you mean candidates. Normally one of the candidate already has the nomination, they reach the magic number. This time however, in this historic race, we have two candidates who have not yet gotten the nomination yet, very different.

Sen. George McGovern, former Democratic presidential candidate and US senator from South Dakota,was a major Clinton supporter. Now however he states: ???She has run a valiant campaign. Hillary, of course, will make the decision as to if and when she ends her campaign. But I hope that she reaches that decision soon so that we can concentrate on a unified party capable of winning the White House next November.???

So you are implying that the more Clinton reaches out and strengthens her supporters to back her, the easier it will be for Obama in the General Election to get those voters? That makes sense?

If she has no chance of winning, then why hurt Obama

alexon96 said 05/10, 05:10 PM
About Clinton's supporters: If Barack Obama wants to get Clinton's supporters, he has to WIN the nomination and not get it by Clinton withdrawing from the race. He will get the supporters if he wins the nomination while Clinton is still in the race. Clinton is not destroying the party. Just because the other voters that still didn't vote, go for her, doesn't mean that she is destroying the Democratic Party. She is not doing anything to destroy the party. She still has a slight chance and she wants to try to get it. Just because the race is going on for a long time doesn't mean anything. The other states still didn't vote and most of the voters in those states support Clinton.

PEOPLE ARE STILL VOTING FOR HER. WHY SHOULD SHE DROP OUT THEN? If your saying that she should drop out because she has no chance, then why can't she still stay in the race? The voters are going to decide.

theyoungdem said 05/11, 05:17 PM
Tell me why then,her staying in the race till the end would then make Obama get the votes of Clinton supporters, when the percentage of Clinton supporters, who would support Obama in the general election, decreasing?

I never said she is "destroying the Democratic Party." Though she is dividing the people in it. Her slight chance is no chance, other than West Virginia, there are no states that widely support her. She even lost her only advantage, the lead in superdelegates, Obama is ahead in that now as well. You say most of those voters in those states support Clinton?

In Oregon the majority of the polls show Obama ahead. In Puerto Rico, He is ahead in many polls, especially thanks to the endorsement of the governor of Puerto Rico to Obama. Your logic is flawed when you say she is ahead in most of the states, when she is only clearly ahead in Kentucky and West Virginia.

People are still voting, that was a superb statement pointing out the obvious, well done, that capitilization made it more truthful. I did not say she should drop out just because she has no chance, if you believe that is so, I suggest you read what I said again. Almost every major politician knows its done

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